[whatwg] Using footer in blockquote for attribution
Ian Hickson
ian at hixie.ch
Fri Feb 10 16:19:08 PST 2012
On Fri, 1 Jul 2011, Oli Studholme wrote:
>
> Over at http://html5doctor.com weve been using this pattern when
> quoting e.g. from the HTML5 spec:
>
> <blockquote>
> <p>[block quote]</p>
> <footer> <cite><a href="
">[title of work]</a></cite></footer>
> </blockquote>
>
> I wrote about our use of blockquote and footer in
> http://html5doctor.com/blockquote-q-cite/ recently, which lead to
> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13082. To recap:
>
> Footer definition:
> The footer element represents a footer for its nearest ancestor
> sectioning content or sectioning root element. A footer typically
> contains information about its section such as who wrote it, links to
> related documents, copyright data, and the like.
>
> Blockquote definition:
> The blockquote element represents a section that is quoted from
> another source. Content inside a blockquote must be quoted from
> another source, whose address, if it has one, may be cited in the cite
> attribute.
>
> Simon felt that Content inside a blockquote must be quoted from
> another source excludes footer.
On what basis?
> However the footer definition reads to me that footer is basically
> metadata *about* content (the non-footer or -header content of the
> sectioning or sectioning root element).
>
> Im happy to propose some reasons for allowing this, but to start with
> does blockquotes definition beat footers definition? Or, is footer
> considered content as far as the blockquote definition is concerned?
Content in a <blockquote> is quoted. This includes any <footer>s in it.
For example, a page might say:
<article>
<h1>My Opinion</h1>
<p>Bla bla bla.</p>
<p>Bla bla bla.</p>
<p>And furthermore, I think fish are friends, not food.</p>
<footer>
<p>Fred is a shark.</p>
</footer>
</article>
Another page might then quote that page:
<p>But the best part is the end, where Fred writes:</p>
<blockquote cite="http://fred.example.net/blog/my-opinion">
<p>And furthermore, I think fish are friends, not food.</p>
<footer>
<p>Fred is a shark.</p>
</footer>
</blockquote>
<p>Notice the footer saying that he's a shark! Sharks <em>like</em> to
eat fish, surely.</p>
It's not clear to me why or how the spec is ambiguous here.
I've not added this specific example to the spec, but I've added
unambiguous requirements regarding attribution.
On Fri, 1 Jul 2011, Simon Pieters wrote:
>
> Indeed since it's a conformance requirement, in valid documents the
> content inside blockquote is quoted from another source. If the spec
> were to allow attribution inside blockquote, the above conformance
> requirement would need to be changed to allow it.
Indeed.
On Tue, 5 Jul 2011, Jukka K. Korpela wrote:
>
> I was pretty sure that I had seen an example where a blockquote element
> contained an attribution in a footer. Alas, the âliving standardâ
> does not seem to have a version history where I could conveniently check
> this out.
You can see all versions of the spec ever published using the Subversion
repository. See the spec header for tools for accessing it.
> Admittedly, there is some logic in requiring that the content of
> blockquote be quoted from an external source and nothing more. I wonder
> whether this disallows common constructs like â[foo]â to indicate
> that âfooâ has been added for clarification and is not present in
> the source.
I've addressed this.
> Anyway, having a blockquote element but no markup for attribution is
> very illogical.
Indeed. We may fix this in due course.
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