From bc979 at lafn.org  Thu May  3 16:13:05 2012
From: bc979 at lafn.org (Doug Hardie)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 16:13:05 -0700
Subject: [html5] Large Datalist
Message-ID: <84DFC579-23DB-4ABD-A018-A3A77874DECB@lafn.org>

I have a large datalist that I would like to store in a file that can be downloaded to the browser when the user first establishes a session and then is used by the browser much like a javascript file.  Is there any way to do that?

From tatham at oddie.com.au  Thu May  3 16:17:21 2012
From: tatham at oddie.com.au (Tatham Oddie)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 23:17:21 +0000
Subject: [html5] Large Datalist
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Store it as JSON and load it as a .js file?

-- Tatham


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Subject: [html5] Large Datalist

I have a large datalist that I would like to store in a file that can be downloaded to the browser when the user first establishes a session and then is used by the browser much like a javascript file.  Is there any way to do that?
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From bc979 at lafn.org  Thu May  3 23:17:29 2012
From: bc979 at lafn.org (Doug Hardie)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 23:17:29 -0700
Subject: [html5] Large Datalist
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On 3 May 2012, at 23:16, Doug Hardie wrote:

> Great idea.  Here is the content of the js file:
> 
> {"DATALIST": {
>        "ID": "facilities",
>        "OPTION": [
>                {"LABEL": "St. Johns Hospital, Oxnard", "VALUE": "St. Johns"},
>                {"LABEL": "Pleasant Valley, Camarillo", "VALUE": "Pleasant Valley"},
>                {"LABEL": "Los Robles Hospital, Thousand Oaks", "VALUE": "Los Robles"}
>        ]
> }}
> 
> Loading it with:
> 
> <SCRIPT SRC=/RSS/bin/facilities.script></SCRIPT>
> 
> I get an "Unexpected token ":" on the first line.  Have I done something wrong?
> 
> 
> 
> On 3 May 2012, at 16:17, Tatham Oddie wrote:
> 
>> Store it as JSON and load it as a .js file?
>> 
>> -- Tatham
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: help-bounces at lists.whatwg.org [mailto:help-bounces at lists.whatwg.org] On Behalf Of Doug Hardie
>> Sent: Friday, 4 May 2012 9:13 AM
>> To: help at lists.whatwg.org
>> Subject: [html5] Large Datalist
>> 
>> I have a large datalist that I would like to store in a file that can be downloaded to the browser when the user first establishes a session and then is used by the browser much like a javascript file.  Is there any way to do that?
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://lists.whatwg.org/listinfo.cgi/help-whatwg.org
>> 
> 


From tatham at oddie.com.au  Thu May  3 23:29:26 2012
From: tatham at oddie.com.au (Tatham Oddie)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 06:29:26 +0000
Subject: [html5] Large Datalist
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You'll need to put it in a variable to access it later.

    var datalist = {
        "ID": "facilities",
        "OPTION": [
            {"LABEL": "St. Johns Hospital, Oxnard", "VALUE": "St. Johns"},
            {"LABEL": "Pleasant Valley, Camarillo", "VALUE": "Pleasant Valley"},
            {"LABEL": "Los Robles Hospital, Thousand Oaks", "VALUE": "Los Robles"}
        ]
    };

-- Tatham

-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Hardie [mailto:bc979 at lafn.org] 
Sent: Friday, 4 May 2012 4:17 PM
To: Tatham Oddie; help at lists.whatwg.org
Subject: Re: [html5] Large Datalist


On 3 May 2012, at 23:16, Doug Hardie wrote:

> Great idea.  Here is the content of the js file:
> 
> {"DATALIST": {
>        "ID": "facilities",
>        "OPTION": [
>                {"LABEL": "St. Johns Hospital, Oxnard", "VALUE": "St. Johns"},
>                {"LABEL": "Pleasant Valley, Camarillo", "VALUE": "Pleasant Valley"},
>                {"LABEL": "Los Robles Hospital, Thousand Oaks", "VALUE": "Los Robles"}
>        ]
> }}
> 
> Loading it with:
> 
> <SCRIPT SRC=/RSS/bin/facilities.script></SCRIPT>
> 
> I get an "Unexpected token ":" on the first line.  Have I done something wrong?
> 
> 
> 
> On 3 May 2012, at 16:17, Tatham Oddie wrote:
> 
>> Store it as JSON and load it as a .js file?
>> 
>> -- Tatham
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: help-bounces at lists.whatwg.org [mailto:help-bounces at lists.whatwg.org] On Behalf Of Doug Hardie
>> Sent: Friday, 4 May 2012 9:13 AM
>> To: help at lists.whatwg.org
>> Subject: [html5] Large Datalist
>> 
>> I have a large datalist that I would like to store in a file that can be downloaded to the browser when the user first establishes a session and then is used by the browser much like a javascript file.  Is there any way to do that?
>> _______________________________________________
>> Help mailing list
>> Help at lists.whatwg.org
>> http://lists.whatwg.org/listinfo.cgi/help-whatwg.org
>> 
> 


From bc979 at lafn.org  Fri May  4 00:10:07 2012
From: bc979 at lafn.org (Doug Hardie)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 00:10:07 -0700
Subject: [html5] Large Datalist
In-Reply-To: <913F550AEE09194E9D4B5BFB9CF3FD4B4B785D5E@EXMBX08.netplexity.local>
References: <84DFC579-23DB-4ABD-A018-A3A77874DECB@lafn.org>
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That certainly eliminates the error and now I see that script in the browser.  I am unable to figure out how to reference a variable in a HTML element.  I tried the following but it doesn't work (I didn't think it would):

<INPUT NAME=place SIZE=48 MAXLENGTH=64 VALUE='xxx' LIST=datalist>.

It kept facilities as a string rather than using the var.

The following attempt to just check the var also failed:

<script>alert (datalist)</script>

That gives an alert dialog with [object Object].

I suspect I will need something like "<script>document.write (datalist)</script in the right place in the datalist html.  But I think I need to get the variable working first.


On 3 May 2012, at 23:29, Tatham Oddie wrote:

> You'll need to put it in a variable to access it later.
> 
>    var datalist = {
>        "ID": "facilities",
>        "OPTION": [
>            {"LABEL": "St. Johns Hospital, Oxnard", "VALUE": "St. Johns"},
>            {"LABEL": "Pleasant Valley, Camarillo", "VALUE": "Pleasant Valley"},
>            {"LABEL": "Los Robles Hospital, Thousand Oaks", "VALUE": "Los Robles"}
>        ]
>    };
> 
> -- Tatham
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Doug Hardie [mailto:bc979 at lafn.org] 
> Sent: Friday, 4 May 2012 4:17 PM
> To: Tatham Oddie; help at lists.whatwg.org
> Subject: Re: [html5] Large Datalist
> 
> 
> On 3 May 2012, at 23:16, Doug Hardie wrote:
> 
>> Great idea.  Here is the content of the js file:
>> 
>> {"DATALIST": {
>>       "ID": "facilities",
>>       "OPTION": [
>>               {"LABEL": "St. Johns Hospital, Oxnard", "VALUE": "St. Johns"},
>>               {"LABEL": "Pleasant Valley, Camarillo", "VALUE": "Pleasant Valley"},
>>               {"LABEL": "Los Robles Hospital, Thousand Oaks", "VALUE": "Los Robles"}
>>       ]
>> }}
>> 
>> Loading it with:
>> 
>> <SCRIPT SRC=/RSS/bin/facilities.script></SCRIPT>
>> 
>> I get an "Unexpected token ":" on the first line.  Have I done something wrong?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 3 May 2012, at 16:17, Tatham Oddie wrote:
>> 
>>> Store it as JSON and load it as a .js file?
>>> 
>>> -- Tatham
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: help-bounces at lists.whatwg.org [mailto:help-bounces at lists.whatwg.org] On Behalf Of Doug Hardie
>>> Sent: Friday, 4 May 2012 9:13 AM
>>> To: help at lists.whatwg.org
>>> Subject: [html5] Large Datalist
>>> 
>>> I have a large datalist that I would like to store in a file that can be downloaded to the browser when the user first establishes a session and then is used by the browser much like a javascript file.  Is there any way to do that?
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Help mailing list
>>> Help at lists.whatwg.org
>>> http://lists.whatwg.org/listinfo.cgi/help-whatwg.org
>>> 
>> 
> 
> 


From simonp at opera.com  Fri May  4 03:44:39 2012
From: simonp at opera.com (Simon Pieters)
Date: Fri, 04 May 2012 12:44:39 +0200
Subject: [html5] Large Datalist
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On Fri, 04 May 2012 09:10:07 +0200, Doug Hardie <bc979 at lafn.org> wrote:

> That certainly eliminates the error and now I see that script in the  
> browser.  I am unable to figure out how to reference a variable in a  
> HTML element.  I tried the following but it doesn't work (I didn't think  
> it would):
>
> <INPUT NAME=place SIZE=48 MAXLENGTH=64 VALUE='xxx' LIST=datalist>.
>
> It kept facilities as a string rather than using the var.
>
> The following attempt to just check the var also failed:
>
> <script>alert (datalist)</script>
>
> That gives an alert dialog with [object Object].
>
> I suspect I will need something like "<script>document.write  
> (datalist)</script in the right place in the datalist html.  But I think  
> I need to get the variable working first.

Fetch the JSON file with XHR and use JSON.parse, then populate a  
<datalist> with the data.

http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/saved/1509


>
> On 3 May 2012, at 23:29, Tatham Oddie wrote:
>
>> You'll need to put it in a variable to access it later.
>>
>>    var datalist = {
>>        "ID": "facilities",
>>        "OPTION": [
>>            {"LABEL": "St. Johns Hospital, Oxnard", "VALUE": "St.  
>> Johns"},
>>            {"LABEL": "Pleasant Valley, Camarillo", "VALUE": "Pleasant  
>> Valley"},
>>            {"LABEL": "Los Robles Hospital, Thousand Oaks", "VALUE":  
>> "Los Robles"}
>>        ]
>>    };

I wouldn't recommend doing this since it executes it as code, which is a  
potential risk.

-- 
Simon Pieters
Opera Software

From mfidelman at meetinghouse.net  Mon May  7 09:35:40 2012
From: mfidelman at meetinghouse.net (Miles Fidelman)
Date: Mon, 07 May 2012 12:35:40 -0400
Subject: [html5] AppCache <-> HTTP interactions when offline
Message-ID: <4FA7F9DC.5080002@meetinghouse.net>

Hi Folks,

I'm looking at alternative ways to edit documents in a browser, then 
store the results - that will work both online and offline.

Something that I can't seem to find documented anywhere is the behavior 
of AppCache vis-a-vis any HTTP operation other than GET.

In particular, if one uses JavaScript to modify the DOM on an active 
page, then tries to PUT a replacement page - what is a browser supposed 
to do when it's offline?  What do current browsers actually do?  Is any 
of this documented anywhere.

Come to think of it... is there any documentation on how browsers 
should/do respond to changes to active documents (e.g., if one uses 
JavaScript to modify the DOM then tries to save the page as a file - 
what should/does get saved)?

Pointers to standards, design documents, presentations, would be very 
much appreciated.

Thanks much,

Miles Fidelman

-- 
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice, there is.   .... Yogi Berra



From weirdave at aol.com  Mon May  7 12:31:31 2012
From: weirdave at aol.com (R David Paine III / WeirDave)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 15:31:31 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [html5] ASP and Random Text Files
Message-ID: <8CEFA9F239D1F3E-1D78-5722@webmail-d129.sysops.aol.com>

I am a casual web developer with simplistic sites that I work on for barter. My personal website has been up for over two decades and still has pretty decent traffic, but I would like to increase that by including my poetry on the website but I don't feel like making a page for each poem as I have a couple of hundred. I was wondering if there was a way to randomly include from a folder of my works a poem a day or something like that. I have them in word doc format and text at the moment. I used ASP to make formatting easier and have been using it in its simple form for awhile and I am certain there are more advanced features I am certain I am missing. Any assistance would be appreciated.
 

 

R David Paine III / WeirDave
weirdave at aol.com
Find me at about.me/weirdave and http://www.weirdave.com

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From andy at nms.de  Mon May  7 12:46:56 2012
From: andy at nms.de (Andy Wenk)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 21:46:56 +0200
Subject: [html5] ASP and Random Text Files
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References: <8CEFA9F239D1F3E-1D78-5722@webmail-d129.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <CADA9kr-D-A5HstQPfRtSMy_j9E2Oh0RMsfahjpDamDnHdB4GpQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi David,

why not putting the poems (txt format) in a folder structure eg:

+ year
   + month

and refer to them via a link you put into a poems.html page:

<p>2011</p>
<ul>
  <li>
    <a href="/poems/2012/poem-name.txt">Poem nam</a>
  </li>
</ul>

This would be the simplest way. I guess there is also a way to create
a list with ASP.

But you should also give JavaScript and AJAX a try. A good starting
point would be to use http://www.jquery.com. You could create a simple
data-structure in JavaScript which is corresponding to the folder
structure with the poems. You could open the text-files
(http://api.jquery.com/load/) and put the contents to the page
(http://api.jquery.com/append/, http://api.jquery.com/html/). So you
would have one poems.html page and change the content dynamically with
AJAX and the support of jQuery.

Hope this is kind of a starting point ;-)

Cheers

Andy

On 7 May 2012 21:31, R David Paine III / WeirDave <weirdave at aol.com> wrote:
> I am a casual web developer with simplistic sites that I work on for barter.
> My personal website has been up for over two decades and still has pretty
> decent traffic, but I would like to increase that by including my poetry on
> the website but I don't feel like making a page for each poem as I have a
> couple of hundred. I was wondering if there was a way to randomly include
> from a folder of my works a poem a day or something like that. I have them
> in word doc format and text at the moment. I used ASP to make formatting
> easier and have been using it in its simple form for awhile and I am certain
> there are more advanced features I am certain I am missing. Any assistance
> would be appreciated.
>
>
> R David Paine III / WeirDave
> weirdave at aol.com
> Find me at about.me/weirdave and http://www.weirdave.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> Help mailing list
> Help at lists.whatwg.org
> http://lists.whatwg.org/listinfo.cgi/help-whatwg.org
>



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Hamburg - Germany
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+++ english version is coming +++
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From themoran2 at gmail.com  Tue May  8 13:02:17 2012
From: themoran2 at gmail.com (Marcus Hansson)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 22:02:17 +0200
Subject: [html5] ASP and Random Text Files
In-Reply-To: <8CEFA9F239D1F3E-1D78-5722@webmail-d129.sysops.aol.com>
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Message-ID: <CAGxJ9jbNYFBLnamAeVhoNJqxGLyQyFDsMbFtoZDbG1XLPWr+NA@mail.gmail.com>

Why not put the data in a database?

That way you'll be able to get a random (or just about any)
poem with a single file.

Unfortunately I can't help you with asp (never used it),
but you could take a look at the following for some reference:
http://net.tutsplus.com/tutorials/databases/sql-for-beginners/
http://www.w3schools.com/aspnet/aspnet_dbconnection.asp

Also, as mentioned earlier, you could use Javascript and either
link to the file or embed it with a frame or what-not.

With some clever naming convention of your files (e.g. poem1.doc,
poem2.doc, etc.),
you could use something like (alert: pseudo-code):

// get a random number between 1 and 100
// (of course, this should map to your filenames in some way)
var article_id = Math.floor((Math.random()*100));

// and here you pull it in with ajax, or simply just create a link node in
the html
var article = ....

//Marcus


2012/5/7 R David Paine III / WeirDave <weirdave at aol.com>

> I am a casual web developer with simplistic sites that I work on for
> barter. My personal website has been up for over two decades and still has
> pretty decent traffic, but I would like to increase that by including my
> poetry on the website but I don't feel like making a page for each poem as
> I have a couple of hundred. I was wondering if there was a way to randomly
> include from a folder of my works a poem a day or something like that. I
> have them in word doc format and text at the moment. I used ASP to make
> formatting easier and have been using it in its simple form for awhile and
> I am certain there are more advanced features I am certain I am missing.
> Any assistance would be appreciated.
>
>
>  R David Paine III / WeirDave
> weirdave at aol.com
> Find me at about.me/weirdave and http://www.weirdave.com
>  <http://about.me/weirdave>
>
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> Help mailing list
> Help at lists.whatwg.org
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From derernst at gmx.ch  Mon May 14 05:14:25 2012
From: derernst at gmx.ch (Markus Ernst)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 14:14:25 +0200
Subject: [html5] Thread about runat (or "server") attribute in WHATWG
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Hello

I hope this is the appropriate place for my question; otherwise feel 
free to ignore it.

I read a discussion on an attribute to specify server-side Javascript in 
the WHATWG mailing list. Now I do not know a lot about server-side 
Javascript, but I know that server-side code does usually (well, at 
least in the scripting languages I am familiar with) not appear in HTML, 
but rather the results of the server-side execution of that code. Thus I 
am very surprised to read HTML experts discuss about server-side stuff. 
Why should server-side code appear in the HTML spec?

Thanks for enlightening me!
Markus

From svartman95 at gmail.com  Mon May 14 05:54:13 2012
From: svartman95 at gmail.com (Bjartur Thorlacius)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 12:54:13 +0000
Subject: [html5] Thread about runat (or "server") attribute in WHATWG
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On 5/14/12, Markus Ernst <derernst at gmx.ch> wrote:
> I read a discussion on an attribute to specify server-side Javascript in
> the WHATWG mailing list. Now I do not know a lot about server-side
> Javascript, but I know that server-side code does usually (well, at
> least in the scripting languages I am familiar with) not appear in HTML,
> but rather the results of the server-side execution of that code. Thus I
> am very surprised to read HTML experts discuss about server-side stuff.
> Why should server-side code appear in the HTML spec?
>
The discussion is not so much about standardizing server-side code,
but rather about reserving the attribute for internal usage. That is,
rather than defining semantics for @runat or @server, WHATWG would
simply promise to never standardize an attribute so named for other
purposes. Reserving the attribute would allow servers to use a strict
superset of HTML internally without worrying about
forward-compatibility.

If, on the other hand, an independent standardization group or any
HTML generator decided to start using @server without ever contacting
WHATWG, the WHATWG might incompatibly decide to use @server for
something else, perhaps web worker related. That would make the HTML
generators markup language into a subtly incompatible dialect of HTML,
instead of a compatible superset.

That can be resolved by using a different syntax that will not become
valid HTML in the foreseeable future. In theory, SGML would have made
this easier, but in practice SGML is too general and the standard
never was followed completely by every page out there. But server-side
includes solved this quite nicely. But if you prefer a syntax that
looks like HTML, smells like HTML, parses like HTML and could validate
as HTML - you'll have to prevent it from becoming valid differently.
And standards groups are precisely the place to do that sort of thing.

From bc979 at lafn.org  Wed May 16 22:41:30 2012
From: bc979 at lafn.org (Doug Hardie)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 22:41:30 -0700
Subject: [html5] Large Datalist
In-Reply-To: <op.wdr5gp1oidj3kv@simons-macbook-pro.local>
References: <84DFC579-23DB-4ABD-A018-A3A77874DECB@lafn.org>
	<913F550AEE09194E9D4B5BFB9CF3FD4B4B78570F@EXMBX08.netplexity.local>
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	<3EC2FD56-B5AB-4DFF-98A7-C89237B2FDF8@lafn.org>
	<913F550AEE09194E9D4B5BFB9CF3FD4B4B785D5E@EXMBX08.netplexity.local>
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	<op.wdr5gp1oidj3kv@simons-macbook-pro.local>
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On 4 May 2012, at 03:44, Simon Pieters wrote:

> On Fri, 04 May 2012 09:10:07 +0200, Doug Hardie <bc979 at lafn.org> wrote:
> 
>> That certainly eliminates the error and now I see that script in the browser.  I am unable to figure out how to reference a variable in a HTML element.  I tried the following but it doesn't work (I didn't think it would):
>> 
>> <INPUT NAME=place SIZE=48 MAXLENGTH=64 VALUE='xxx' LIST=datalist>.
>> 
>> It kept facilities as a string rather than using the var.
>> 
>> The following attempt to just check the var also failed:
>> 
>> <script>alert (datalist)</script>
>> 
>> That gives an alert dialog with [object Object].
>> 
>> I suspect I will need something like "<script>document.write (datalist)</script in the right place in the datalist html.  But I think I need to get the variable working first.
> 
> Fetch the JSON file with XHR and use JSON.parse, then populate a <datalist> with the data.
> 
> http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/saved/1509
> 
> 
>> 
>> On 3 May 2012, at 23:29, Tatham Oddie wrote:
>> 
>>> You'll need to put it in a variable to access it later.
>>> 
>>>   var datalist = {
>>>       "ID": "facilities",
>>>       "OPTION": [
>>>           {"LABEL": "St. Johns Hospital, Oxnard", "VALUE": "St. Johns"},
>>>           {"LABEL": "Pleasant Valley, Camarillo", "VALUE": "Pleasant Valley"},
>>>           {"LABEL": "Los Robles Hospital, Thousand Oaks", "VALUE": "Los Robles"}
>>>       ]
>>>   };
> 
> I wouldn't recommend doing this since it executes it as code, which is a potential risk.

Now that the school year is over, all the finals graded and grades entered, I can get back to this.

I found what appears to be a simpler approach.  In the js file is:

var DATALIST = "<DATALIST ID=facilities>" +
        "<OPTION LABEL='St. Johns Hospital, Oxnard' VALUE='St. Johns'>" +
        "<OPTION LABEL='Pleasant Valley, Camarillo' VALUE='Pleasant Valley'>" +
        "<OPTION LABEL='Los Robles Hospital, Thousand Oaks' VALUE='Los Robles'>" +
        "</DATALIST>";

then in the HTML is:
	<SCRIPT>document.write (DATALIST)</SCRIPT>
	<INPUT NAME=of SIZE=64 MAXLENGTH=64 VALUE='LIST=facilities'> 

This approach seems quite simple and works well with 3 entries.  However, when there are several hundred entries is it going to have scaling issues?





From webmaster at tsmchughs.com  Sat May 19 21:35:53 2012
From: webmaster at tsmchughs.com (Brian Tremblay)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 21:35:53 -0700
Subject: [html5] microdata and the dl element
Message-ID: <4FB874A9.6030006@tsmchughs.com>

I've marked up a restaurant menu using the <dl> element, with a <dt> for 
each item, followed by 2 or more <dd> elements, one for price, 
description, and, where appropriate, additional options.

I want to add microdata product markup (http://schema.org/Product) but 
can't find a way to do it. It seems like I need a wrapper for each menu 
item, which I sort of think should be there anyways. Can such a thing be 
added to html5? Perhaps <dli>, like so:

<dl>
  <dli>
   <dt>Artichoke Hearts Au Gratin</dt>
   <dd>$6.50</dd>
   <dd>baked artichoke hearts, with Irish soda bread</dd>
  </dli>
  <dli>
   <dt>Peel & Eat Shrimp</dt>
   <dd>$7.50</dd>
   <dd>half pound of chilled shrimp with cocktail sauce</dd>
  </dli>
</dl>

Barring the addition of a new element to be nested inside <dl>, the only 
solution I can see is to make each item its own description list, but 
that would be grossly abusive. (Does one item really constitute a list?

Menu url:

http://www.tsmchughs.com/menus/dinner

Any ideas?

-- 
Brian Tremblay

From bhawkeslewis at googlemail.com  Sun May 20 01:01:20 2012
From: bhawkeslewis at googlemail.com (Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 09:01:20 +0100
Subject: [html5] microdata and the dl element
In-Reply-To: <4FB874A9.6030006@tsmchughs.com>
References: <4FB874A9.6030006@tsmchughs.com>
Message-ID: <CAEhSh3drUDG_q2m+uK-2=LgT_OsmqjsCmypky+=qbCfyvttHZg@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 5:35 AM, Brian Tremblay <webmaster at tsmchughs.com> wrote:
> I've marked up a restaurant menu using the <dl> element, with a <dt> for
> each item, followed by 2 or more <dd> elements, one for price, description,
> and, where appropriate, additional options.
>
> I want to add microdata product markup (http://schema.org/Product) but can't
> find a way to do it. It seems like I need a wrapper for each menu item

No. You can use @itemref:

    http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/microdata.html#attr-itemref

For example:

 <dl>
    <dt id=artichokes
        itemscope
        itemtype=http://schema.org/Product
        itemref="artichokes-offers artichokes-description">
      <span itemprop=name>Artichoke Hearts Au Gratin</span>
    </dt>
    <dd id=artichokes-offers
        itemprop=offers
        itemscope
        itemtype=http://schema.org/Offer>
      <span itemprop=price>$6.50</span>
    </dd>
    <dd id=artichokes-description itemprop=description>
      Diced artichoke hearts baked in a cheddar-parmesan sauce.
      Served with our Irish soda bread and molasses wheat bread.
    </dd>

    <dt id=shrimp-cocktail
        itemscope
        itemtype=http://schema.org/Product
        itemref="shrimp-cocktail-offers shrimp-cocktail-description">
      <span itemprop=name>Peel &amp; Eat Shrimp</span>
    </dt>
    <dd id=shrimp-cocktail-offers
        itemprop=offers
        itemscope
        itemtype=http://schema.org/Offer>
      <span itemprop=price>$7.50</span>
    </dd>
    <dd id=shrimp-cocktail-description itemprop=description>
      A half pound of chilled shrimp with our cocktail sauce.
    </dd>

  </dl>


> which I sort of think should be there anyways.

This has been discussed many times before, mostly recently at:

http://www.w3.org/Search/Mail/Public/advanced_search?keywords=&hdr-1-name=subject&hdr-1-query=%3Cdi%3E+please&hdr-2-name=from&hdr-2-query=&hdr-3-name=message-id&hdr-3-query=&period_month=&period_year=&index-grp=Public__FULL&index-type=t&type-index=public-whatwg-archive&resultsperpage=100&sortby=date-asc

The editor's take was that features should be added to CSS to support
styling definition names and values as groups.

--
Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis

From webmaster at tsmchughs.com  Sun May 20 01:35:17 2012
From: webmaster at tsmchughs.com (Brian Tremblay)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 01:35:17 -0700
Subject: [html5] microdata and the dl element
In-Reply-To: <CAEhSh3drUDG_q2m+uK-2=LgT_OsmqjsCmypky+=qbCfyvttHZg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4FB874A9.6030006@tsmchughs.com>
	<CAEhSh3drUDG_q2m+uK-2=LgT_OsmqjsCmypky+=qbCfyvttHZg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4FB8ACC5.6060604@tsmchughs.com>

On 5/20/12 1:01 AM, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis wrote:
> On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 5:35 AM, Brian Tremblay wrote:
>> I've marked up a restaurant menu using the <dl> element, with a <dt> for
>> each item, followed by 2 or more <dd> elements, one for price, description,
>> and, where appropriate, additional options.
>>
>> I want to add microdata product markup (http://schema.org/Product) but can't
>> find a way to do it. It seems like I need a wrapper for each menu item
>
> No. You can use @itemref:
>
>   <dl>
>      <dt id=artichokes
>          itemscope
>          itemtype=http://schema.org/Product
>          itemref="artichokes-offers artichokes-description">
>        <span itemprop=name>Artichoke Hearts Au Gratin</span>
>      </dt>
>      <dd id=artichokes-offers
>          itemprop=offers
>          itemscope
>          itemtype=http://schema.org/Offer>
>        <span itemprop=price>$6.50</span>
>      </dd>
>      <dd id=artichokes-description itemprop=description>
>        Diced artichoke hearts baked in a cheddar-parmesan sauce.
>        Served with our Irish soda bread and molasses wheat bread.
>      </dd>
>
>      <dt id=shrimp-cocktail
>          itemscope
>          itemtype=http://schema.org/Product
>          itemref="shrimp-cocktail-offers shrimp-cocktail-description">
>        <span itemprop=name>Peel&amp; Eat Shrimp</span>
>      </dt>
>      <dd id=shrimp-cocktail-offers
>          itemprop=offers
>          itemscope
>          itemtype=http://schema.org/Offer>
>        <span itemprop=price>$7.50</span>
>      </dd>
>      <dd id=shrimp-cocktail-description itemprop=description>
>        A half pound of chilled shrimp with our cocktail sauce.
>      </dd>
>
>    </dl>

Yikes! That's a lot more markup than the original. And I'd have to 
manage unique ids for each menu item, too. It's getting mighty 
complicated.  :-(

>> which I sort of think should be there anyways.
>
> The editor's take was that features should be added to CSS to support
> styling definition names and values as groups.

I'd agree. But my case does not involve styling. It involves trees and 
subtrees and scoping. Without a <dli> there's no clear item parent for 
any <dt> or <dd> element.

-- 
Brian Tremblay

From jay at peepo.com  Mon May 21 00:58:15 2012
From: jay at peepo.com (jonathan chetwynd)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 08:58:15 +0100
Subject: [html5] Forms: how to replace checkbox with active graphic?
Message-ID: <53AE532A-50D5-4272-90F1-5C796D0BE704@peepo.com>

can anyone point me to  examples of active graphics in html5 forms?
similarly for radio buttons?

is there a technical description, or specification?

regards

 
Jonathan Chetwynd

~:" jay at peepo.com
http://www.peepo.com

+44 (0) 20 7978 1764


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From j.chetwynd at btinternet.com  Mon May 21 00:59:25 2012
From: j.chetwynd at btinternet.com (Jonathan Chetwynd)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 08:59:25 +0100
Subject: [html5] Forms: how to replace checkbox with active graphic?
Message-ID: <B42256DD-1452-40CB-9464-2335753F7009@btinternet.com>

can anyone point me to  examples of active graphics in html5 forms?
similarly for radio buttons?

is there a technical description, or specification?

regards

Jonathan Chetwynd
jay at peepo.com




From mampir at lavabit.com  Mon May 21 14:09:12 2012
From: mampir at lavabit.com (Mampir)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 00:09:12 +0300
Subject: [html5] The specification for offline use
Message-ID: <20120521210912.GA7944@localhost>

Hi!

How or where can I get the current version of the HTML specification
for easy offline use?  I want to be able to write HTML code with the
help of the current specification (Web Dev Edition or not), without a
connection to Internet.


From andy at nms.de  Mon May 21 23:10:57 2012
From: andy at nms.de (Andy Wenk)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 08:10:57 +0200
Subject: [html5] The specification for offline use
In-Reply-To: <20120521210912.GA7944@localhost>
References: <20120521210912.GA7944@localhost>
Message-ID: <CADA9kr9CsroT8SLduy95qhziQ_Xa96jHYfi4N5hHG=d4vB3VLw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

On 21 May 2012 23:09, Mampir <mampir at lavabit.com> wrote:
> Hi!
>
> How or where can I get the current version of the HTML specification
> for easy offline use? ?I want to be able to write HTML code with the
> help of the current specification (Web Dev Edition or not), without a
> connection to Internet.

one way is to use

wget -r http://your.html5specdomain.com

The program is available via the shell in Linux-like OS

http://www.gnu.org/software/wget/

Cheers

Andy

-- 
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Hamburg - Germany
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From bhawkeslewis at googlemail.com  Tue May 22 21:35:05 2012
From: bhawkeslewis at googlemail.com (Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 05:35:05 +0100
Subject: [html5] Forms: how to replace checkbox with active graphic?
In-Reply-To: <B42256DD-1452-40CB-9464-2335753F7009@btinternet.com>
References: <B42256DD-1452-40CB-9464-2335753F7009@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <CAEhSh3cvmUY+osuZMignfAgQnWmh6_LtkvmozfEd583zYg_fDQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 8:59 AM, Jonathan Chetwynd
<j.chetwynd at btinternet.com> wrote:
> can anyone point me to ?examples of active graphics in html5 forms?

What are "active graphics"?

> similarly for radio buttons?
>
> is there a technical description, or specification?

I assume you're not asking about input type=radio ? what are you
asking about though?

--
Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis

From bhawkeslewis at googlemail.com  Tue May 22 21:37:02 2012
From: bhawkeslewis at googlemail.com (Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 05:37:02 +0100
Subject: [html5] Forms: how to replace checkbox with active graphic?
In-Reply-To: <B42256DD-1452-40CB-9464-2335753F7009@btinternet.com>
References: <B42256DD-1452-40CB-9464-2335753F7009@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <CAEhSh3fK1ZVRy=uQx9tv+hTX0vnYskJ50vYBqGp8QBh6_xgsZQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 8:59 AM, Jonathan Chetwynd
<j.chetwynd at btinternet.com> wrote:
> can anyone point me to ?examples of active graphics in html5 forms?
> similarly for radio buttons?
>
> is there a technical description, or specification?

http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/webcomponents/raw-file/tip/explainer/index.html
might be the most immediately relevant work here.

--
Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis

From j.chetwynd at btinternet.com  Fri May 25 07:31:58 2012
From: j.chetwynd at btinternet.com (Jonathan Chetwynd)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 15:31:58 +0100
Subject: [html5] Forms: how to replace checkbox with active graphic?
In-Reply-To: <CAEhSh3cvmUY+osuZMignfAgQnWmh6_LtkvmozfEd583zYg_fDQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <B42256DD-1452-40CB-9464-2335753F7009@btinternet.com>
	<CAEhSh3cvmUY+osuZMignfAgQnWmh6_LtkvmozfEd583zYg_fDQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <600B760F-F127-4E77-AF3A-5E6F796C39CF@btinternet.com>


On 23 May 2012, at 05:35, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis wrote:
> What are "active graphics"?

Ben,

currently checkboxes show a tick and radio buttons an active centre.
however in a game GUI  this may spoil the illusion,
particularly where there is a single modality.
hence forms may appear as displays, and a highlight suggest active  
instead of a tick in a checkbox

I'm looking for one in a technical specification, or else the wild,
but one that specification conformant, ie accessibility etc...

regards

Jonathan Chetwynd
jay at peepo.com




From j.chetwynd at btinternet.com  Sat May 26 01:45:59 2012
From: j.chetwynd at btinternet.com (Jonathan Chetwynd)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2012 09:45:59 +0100
Subject: [html5] Forms: radio example was: how to replace checkbox with
	active graphic?
In-Reply-To: <CAEhSh3fK1ZVRy=uQx9tv+hTX0vnYskJ50vYBqGp8QBh6_xgsZQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <B42256DD-1452-40CB-9464-2335753F7009@btinternet.com>
	<CAEhSh3fK1ZVRy=uQx9tv+hTX0vnYskJ50vYBqGp8QBh6_xgsZQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <27500C49-1CE4-4D03-B7AB-777A49F59CAD@btinternet.com>

Ben

http://www.peepo.com now hosts a basic example to discuss

the size selector* resembles a radio button, with the one in use  
having a stroke.

however it is not currently a form, and hence script is being used.

it may be worthwhile creating a reduced testcase, however one then  
loses the context, or rationale...

regards

Jonathan Chetwynd
jay at peepo.com


only 9 and 19 are selectable as 13 is not implemented yet


From bc979 at lafn.org  Thu May  3 16:13:05 2012
From: bc979 at lafn.org (Doug Hardie)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 16:13:05 -0700
Subject: [html5] Large Datalist
Message-ID: <84DFC579-23DB-4ABD-A018-A3A77874DECB@lafn.org>

I have a large datalist that I would like to store in a file that can be downloaded to the browser when the user first establishes a session and then is used by the browser much like a javascript file.  Is there any way to do that?

From tatham at oddie.com.au  Thu May  3 16:17:21 2012
From: tatham at oddie.com.au (Tatham Oddie)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 23:17:21 +0000
Subject: [html5] Large Datalist
In-Reply-To: <84DFC579-23DB-4ABD-A018-A3A77874DECB@lafn.org>
References: <84DFC579-23DB-4ABD-A018-A3A77874DECB@lafn.org>
Message-ID: <913F550AEE09194E9D4B5BFB9CF3FD4B4B78570F@EXMBX08.netplexity.local>

Store it as JSON and load it as a .js file?

-- Tatham


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, 4 May 2012 9:13 AM
To: help at lists.whatwg.org
Subject: [html5] Large Datalist

I have a large datalist that I would like to store in a file that can be downloaded to the browser when the user first establishes a session and then is used by the browser much like a javascript file.  Is there any way to do that?
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From bc979 at lafn.org  Thu May  3 23:17:29 2012
From: bc979 at lafn.org (Doug Hardie)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 23:17:29 -0700
Subject: [html5] Large Datalist
In-Reply-To: <764B6E38-7E69-4B48-92CF-A77CDB361722@lafn.org>
References: <84DFC579-23DB-4ABD-A018-A3A77874DECB@lafn.org>
	<913F550AEE09194E9D4B5BFB9CF3FD4B4B78570F@EXMBX08.netplexity.local>
	<764B6E38-7E69-4B48-92CF-A77CDB361722@lafn.org>
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On 3 May 2012, at 23:16, Doug Hardie wrote:

> Great idea.  Here is the content of the js file:
> 
> {"DATALIST": {
>        "ID": "facilities",
>        "OPTION": [
>                {"LABEL": "St. Johns Hospital, Oxnard", "VALUE": "St. Johns"},
>                {"LABEL": "Pleasant Valley, Camarillo", "VALUE": "Pleasant Valley"},
>                {"LABEL": "Los Robles Hospital, Thousand Oaks", "VALUE": "Los Robles"}
>        ]
> }}
> 
> Loading it with:
> 
> <SCRIPT SRC=/RSS/bin/facilities.script></SCRIPT>
> 
> I get an "Unexpected token ":" on the first line.  Have I done something wrong?
> 
> 
> 
> On 3 May 2012, at 16:17, Tatham Oddie wrote:
> 
>> Store it as JSON and load it as a .js file?
>> 
>> -- Tatham
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: help-bounces at lists.whatwg.org [mailto:help-bounces at lists.whatwg.org] On Behalf Of Doug Hardie
>> Sent: Friday, 4 May 2012 9:13 AM
>> To: help at lists.whatwg.org
>> Subject: [html5] Large Datalist
>> 
>> I have a large datalist that I would like to store in a file that can be downloaded to the browser when the user first establishes a session and then is used by the browser much like a javascript file.  Is there any way to do that?
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://lists.whatwg.org/listinfo.cgi/help-whatwg.org
>> 
> 



From tatham at oddie.com.au  Thu May  3 23:29:26 2012
From: tatham at oddie.com.au (Tatham Oddie)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 06:29:26 +0000
Subject: [html5] Large Datalist
In-Reply-To: <3EC2FD56-B5AB-4DFF-98A7-C89237B2FDF8@lafn.org>
References: <84DFC579-23DB-4ABD-A018-A3A77874DECB@lafn.org>
	<913F550AEE09194E9D4B5BFB9CF3FD4B4B78570F@EXMBX08.netplexity.local>
	<764B6E38-7E69-4B48-92CF-A77CDB361722@lafn.org>
	<3EC2FD56-B5AB-4DFF-98A7-C89237B2FDF8@lafn.org>
Message-ID: <913F550AEE09194E9D4B5BFB9CF3FD4B4B785D5E@EXMBX08.netplexity.local>

You'll need to put it in a variable to access it later.

    var datalist = {
        "ID": "facilities",
        "OPTION": [
            {"LABEL": "St. Johns Hospital, Oxnard", "VALUE": "St. Johns"},
            {"LABEL": "Pleasant Valley, Camarillo", "VALUE": "Pleasant Valley"},
            {"LABEL": "Los Robles Hospital, Thousand Oaks", "VALUE": "Los Robles"}
        ]
    };

-- Tatham

-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Hardie [mailto:bc979 at lafn.org] 
Sent: Friday, 4 May 2012 4:17 PM
To: Tatham Oddie; help at lists.whatwg.org
Subject: Re: [html5] Large Datalist


On 3 May 2012, at 23:16, Doug Hardie wrote:

> Great idea.  Here is the content of the js file:
> 
> {"DATALIST": {
>        "ID": "facilities",
>        "OPTION": [
>                {"LABEL": "St. Johns Hospital, Oxnard", "VALUE": "St. Johns"},
>                {"LABEL": "Pleasant Valley, Camarillo", "VALUE": "Pleasant Valley"},
>                {"LABEL": "Los Robles Hospital, Thousand Oaks", "VALUE": "Los Robles"}
>        ]
> }}
> 
> Loading it with:
> 
> <SCRIPT SRC=/RSS/bin/facilities.script></SCRIPT>
> 
> I get an "Unexpected token ":" on the first line.  Have I done something wrong?
> 
> 
> 
> On 3 May 2012, at 16:17, Tatham Oddie wrote:
> 
>> Store it as JSON and load it as a .js file?
>> 
>> -- Tatham
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: help-bounces at lists.whatwg.org [mailto:help-bounces at lists.whatwg.org] On Behalf Of Doug Hardie
>> Sent: Friday, 4 May 2012 9:13 AM
>> To: help at lists.whatwg.org
>> Subject: [html5] Large Datalist
>> 
>> I have a large datalist that I would like to store in a file that can be downloaded to the browser when the user first establishes a session and then is used by the browser much like a javascript file.  Is there any way to do that?
>> _______________________________________________
>> Help mailing list
>> Help at lists.whatwg.org
>> http://lists.whatwg.org/listinfo.cgi/help-whatwg.org
>> 
> 



From bc979 at lafn.org  Fri May  4 00:10:07 2012
From: bc979 at lafn.org (Doug Hardie)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 00:10:07 -0700
Subject: [html5] Large Datalist
In-Reply-To: <913F550AEE09194E9D4B5BFB9CF3FD4B4B785D5E@EXMBX08.netplexity.local>
References: <84DFC579-23DB-4ABD-A018-A3A77874DECB@lafn.org>
	<913F550AEE09194E9D4B5BFB9CF3FD4B4B78570F@EXMBX08.netplexity.local>
	<764B6E38-7E69-4B48-92CF-A77CDB361722@lafn.org>
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Message-ID: <45C79668-825B-470F-8CD3-4FF0C4EFFCF3@lafn.org>

That certainly eliminates the error and now I see that script in the browser.  I am unable to figure out how to reference a variable in a HTML element.  I tried the following but it doesn't work (I didn't think it would):

<INPUT NAME=place SIZE=48 MAXLENGTH=64 VALUE='xxx' LIST=datalist>.

It kept facilities as a string rather than using the var.

The following attempt to just check the var also failed:

<script>alert (datalist)</script>

That gives an alert dialog with [object Object].

I suspect I will need something like "<script>document.write (datalist)</script in the right place in the datalist html.  But I think I need to get the variable working first.


On 3 May 2012, at 23:29, Tatham Oddie wrote:

> You'll need to put it in a variable to access it later.
> 
>    var datalist = {
>        "ID": "facilities",
>        "OPTION": [
>            {"LABEL": "St. Johns Hospital, Oxnard", "VALUE": "St. Johns"},
>            {"LABEL": "Pleasant Valley, Camarillo", "VALUE": "Pleasant Valley"},
>            {"LABEL": "Los Robles Hospital, Thousand Oaks", "VALUE": "Los Robles"}
>        ]
>    };
> 
> -- Tatham
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Doug Hardie [mailto:bc979 at lafn.org] 
> Sent: Friday, 4 May 2012 4:17 PM
> To: Tatham Oddie; help at lists.whatwg.org
> Subject: Re: [html5] Large Datalist
> 
> 
> On 3 May 2012, at 23:16, Doug Hardie wrote:
> 
>> Great idea.  Here is the content of the js file:
>> 
>> {"DATALIST": {
>>       "ID": "facilities",
>>       "OPTION": [
>>               {"LABEL": "St. Johns Hospital, Oxnard", "VALUE": "St. Johns"},
>>               {"LABEL": "Pleasant Valley, Camarillo", "VALUE": "Pleasant Valley"},
>>               {"LABEL": "Los Robles Hospital, Thousand Oaks", "VALUE": "Los Robles"}
>>       ]
>> }}
>> 
>> Loading it with:
>> 
>> <SCRIPT SRC=/RSS/bin/facilities.script></SCRIPT>
>> 
>> I get an "Unexpected token ":" on the first line.  Have I done something wrong?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 3 May 2012, at 16:17, Tatham Oddie wrote:
>> 
>>> Store it as JSON and load it as a .js file?
>>> 
>>> -- Tatham
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: help-bounces at lists.whatwg.org [mailto:help-bounces at lists.whatwg.org] On Behalf Of Doug Hardie
>>> Sent: Friday, 4 May 2012 9:13 AM
>>> To: help at lists.whatwg.org
>>> Subject: [html5] Large Datalist
>>> 
>>> I have a large datalist that I would like to store in a file that can be downloaded to the browser when the user first establishes a session and then is used by the browser much like a javascript file.  Is there any way to do that?
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Help mailing list
>>> Help at lists.whatwg.org
>>> http://lists.whatwg.org/listinfo.cgi/help-whatwg.org
>>> 
>> 
> 
> 



From simonp at opera.com  Fri May  4 03:44:39 2012
From: simonp at opera.com (Simon Pieters)
Date: Fri, 04 May 2012 12:44:39 +0200
Subject: [html5] Large Datalist
In-Reply-To: <45C79668-825B-470F-8CD3-4FF0C4EFFCF3@lafn.org>
References: <84DFC579-23DB-4ABD-A018-A3A77874DECB@lafn.org>
	<913F550AEE09194E9D4B5BFB9CF3FD4B4B78570F@EXMBX08.netplexity.local>
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On Fri, 04 May 2012 09:10:07 +0200, Doug Hardie <bc979 at lafn.org> wrote:

> That certainly eliminates the error and now I see that script in the  
> browser.  I am unable to figure out how to reference a variable in a  
> HTML element.  I tried the following but it doesn't work (I didn't think  
> it would):
>
> <INPUT NAME=place SIZE=48 MAXLENGTH=64 VALUE='xxx' LIST=datalist>.
>
> It kept facilities as a string rather than using the var.
>
> The following attempt to just check the var also failed:
>
> <script>alert (datalist)</script>
>
> That gives an alert dialog with [object Object].
>
> I suspect I will need something like "<script>document.write  
> (datalist)</script in the right place in the datalist html.  But I think  
> I need to get the variable working first.

Fetch the JSON file with XHR and use JSON.parse, then populate a  
<datalist> with the data.

http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/saved/1509


>
> On 3 May 2012, at 23:29, Tatham Oddie wrote:
>
>> You'll need to put it in a variable to access it later.
>>
>>    var datalist = {
>>        "ID": "facilities",
>>        "OPTION": [
>>            {"LABEL": "St. Johns Hospital, Oxnard", "VALUE": "St.  
>> Johns"},
>>            {"LABEL": "Pleasant Valley, Camarillo", "VALUE": "Pleasant  
>> Valley"},
>>            {"LABEL": "Los Robles Hospital, Thousand Oaks", "VALUE":  
>> "Los Robles"}
>>        ]
>>    };

I wouldn't recommend doing this since it executes it as code, which is a  
potential risk.

-- 
Simon Pieters
Opera Software


From mfidelman at meetinghouse.net  Mon May  7 09:35:40 2012
From: mfidelman at meetinghouse.net (Miles Fidelman)
Date: Mon, 07 May 2012 12:35:40 -0400
Subject: [html5] AppCache <-> HTTP interactions when offline
Message-ID: <4FA7F9DC.5080002@meetinghouse.net>

Hi Folks,

I'm looking at alternative ways to edit documents in a browser, then 
store the results - that will work both online and offline.

Something that I can't seem to find documented anywhere is the behavior 
of AppCache vis-a-vis any HTTP operation other than GET.

In particular, if one uses JavaScript to modify the DOM on an active 
page, then tries to PUT a replacement page - what is a browser supposed 
to do when it's offline?  What do current browsers actually do?  Is any 
of this documented anywhere.

Come to think of it... is there any documentation on how browsers 
should/do respond to changes to active documents (e.g., if one uses 
JavaScript to modify the DOM then tries to save the page as a file - 
what should/does get saved)?

Pointers to standards, design documents, presentations, would be very 
much appreciated.

Thanks much,

Miles Fidelman

-- 
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice, there is.   .... Yogi Berra




From weirdave at aol.com  Mon May  7 12:31:31 2012
From: weirdave at aol.com (R David Paine III / WeirDave)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 15:31:31 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [html5] ASP and Random Text Files
Message-ID: <8CEFA9F239D1F3E-1D78-5722@webmail-d129.sysops.aol.com>

I am a casual web developer with simplistic sites that I work on for barter. My personal website has been up for over two decades and still has pretty decent traffic, but I would like to increase that by including my poetry on the website but I don't feel like making a page for each poem as I have a couple of hundred. I was wondering if there was a way to randomly include from a folder of my works a poem a day or something like that. I have them in word doc format and text at the moment. I used ASP to make formatting easier and have been using it in its simple form for awhile and I am certain there are more advanced features I am certain I am missing. Any assistance would be appreciated.
 

 

R David Paine III / WeirDave
weirdave at aol.com
Find me at about.me/weirdave and http://www.weirdave.com

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From andy at nms.de  Mon May  7 12:46:56 2012
From: andy at nms.de (Andy Wenk)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 21:46:56 +0200
Subject: [html5] ASP and Random Text Files
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References: <8CEFA9F239D1F3E-1D78-5722@webmail-d129.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <CADA9kr-D-A5HstQPfRtSMy_j9E2Oh0RMsfahjpDamDnHdB4GpQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi David,

why not putting the poems (txt format) in a folder structure eg:

+ year
   + month

and refer to them via a link you put into a poems.html page:

<p>2011</p>
<ul>
  <li>
    <a href="/poems/2012/poem-name.txt">Poem nam</a>
  </li>
</ul>

This would be the simplest way. I guess there is also a way to create
a list with ASP.

But you should also give JavaScript and AJAX a try. A good starting
point would be to use http://www.jquery.com. You could create a simple
data-structure in JavaScript which is corresponding to the folder
structure with the poems. You could open the text-files
(http://api.jquery.com/load/) and put the contents to the page
(http://api.jquery.com/append/, http://api.jquery.com/html/). So you
would have one poems.html page and change the content dynamically with
AJAX and the support of jQuery.

Hope this is kind of a starting point ;-)

Cheers

Andy

On 7 May 2012 21:31, R David Paine III / WeirDave <weirdave at aol.com> wrote:
> I am a casual web developer with simplistic sites that I work on for barter.
> My personal website has been up for over two decades and still has pretty
> decent traffic, but I would like to increase that by including my poetry on
> the website but I don't feel like making a page for each poem as I have a
> couple of hundred. I was wondering if there was a way to randomly include
> from a folder of my works a poem a day or something like that. I have them
> in word doc format and text at the moment. I used ASP to make formatting
> easier and have been using it in its simple form for awhile and I am certain
> there are more advanced features I am certain I am missing. Any assistance
> would be appreciated.
>
>
> R David Paine III / WeirDave
> weirdave at aol.com
> Find me at about.me/weirdave and http://www.weirdave.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> Help mailing list
> Help at lists.whatwg.org
> http://lists.whatwg.org/listinfo.cgi/help-whatwg.org
>



-- 
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Hamburg - Germany
RockIt!

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From themoran2 at gmail.com  Tue May  8 13:02:17 2012
From: themoran2 at gmail.com (Marcus Hansson)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 22:02:17 +0200
Subject: [html5] ASP and Random Text Files
In-Reply-To: <8CEFA9F239D1F3E-1D78-5722@webmail-d129.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CEFA9F239D1F3E-1D78-5722@webmail-d129.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <CAGxJ9jbNYFBLnamAeVhoNJqxGLyQyFDsMbFtoZDbG1XLPWr+NA@mail.gmail.com>

Why not put the data in a database?

That way you'll be able to get a random (or just about any)
poem with a single file.

Unfortunately I can't help you with asp (never used it),
but you could take a look at the following for some reference:
http://net.tutsplus.com/tutorials/databases/sql-for-beginners/
http://www.w3schools.com/aspnet/aspnet_dbconnection.asp

Also, as mentioned earlier, you could use Javascript and either
link to the file or embed it with a frame or what-not.

With some clever naming convention of your files (e.g. poem1.doc,
poem2.doc, etc.),
you could use something like (alert: pseudo-code):

// get a random number between 1 and 100
// (of course, this should map to your filenames in some way)
var article_id = Math.floor((Math.random()*100));

// and here you pull it in with ajax, or simply just create a link node in
the html
var article = ....

//Marcus


2012/5/7 R David Paine III / WeirDave <weirdave at aol.com>

> I am a casual web developer with simplistic sites that I work on for
> barter. My personal website has been up for over two decades and still has
> pretty decent traffic, but I would like to increase that by including my
> poetry on the website but I don't feel like making a page for each poem as
> I have a couple of hundred. I was wondering if there was a way to randomly
> include from a folder of my works a poem a day or something like that. I
> have them in word doc format and text at the moment. I used ASP to make
> formatting easier and have been using it in its simple form for awhile and
> I am certain there are more advanced features I am certain I am missing.
> Any assistance would be appreciated.
>
>
>  R David Paine III / WeirDave
> weirdave at aol.com
> Find me at about.me/weirdave and http://www.weirdave.com
>  <http://about.me/weirdave>
>
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> Help at lists.whatwg.org
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From derernst at gmx.ch  Mon May 14 05:14:25 2012
From: derernst at gmx.ch (Markus Ernst)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 14:14:25 +0200
Subject: [html5] Thread about runat (or "server") attribute in WHATWG
	mailing list
Message-ID: <4FB0F721.5040204@gmx.ch>

Hello

I hope this is the appropriate place for my question; otherwise feel 
free to ignore it.

I read a discussion on an attribute to specify server-side Javascript in 
the WHATWG mailing list. Now I do not know a lot about server-side 
Javascript, but I know that server-side code does usually (well, at 
least in the scripting languages I am familiar with) not appear in HTML, 
but rather the results of the server-side execution of that code. Thus I 
am very surprised to read HTML experts discuss about server-side stuff. 
Why should server-side code appear in the HTML spec?

Thanks for enlightening me!
Markus


From svartman95 at gmail.com  Mon May 14 05:54:13 2012
From: svartman95 at gmail.com (Bjartur Thorlacius)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 12:54:13 +0000
Subject: [html5] Thread about runat (or "server") attribute in WHATWG
 mailing list
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On 5/14/12, Markus Ernst <derernst at gmx.ch> wrote:
> I read a discussion on an attribute to specify server-side Javascript in
> the WHATWG mailing list. Now I do not know a lot about server-side
> Javascript, but I know that server-side code does usually (well, at
> least in the scripting languages I am familiar with) not appear in HTML,
> but rather the results of the server-side execution of that code. Thus I
> am very surprised to read HTML experts discuss about server-side stuff.
> Why should server-side code appear in the HTML spec?
>
The discussion is not so much about standardizing server-side code,
but rather about reserving the attribute for internal usage. That is,
rather than defining semantics for @runat or @server, WHATWG would
simply promise to never standardize an attribute so named for other
purposes. Reserving the attribute would allow servers to use a strict
superset of HTML internally without worrying about
forward-compatibility.

If, on the other hand, an independent standardization group or any
HTML generator decided to start using @server without ever contacting
WHATWG, the WHATWG might incompatibly decide to use @server for
something else, perhaps web worker related. That would make the HTML
generators markup language into a subtly incompatible dialect of HTML,
instead of a compatible superset.

That can be resolved by using a different syntax that will not become
valid HTML in the foreseeable future. In theory, SGML would have made
this easier, but in practice SGML is too general and the standard
never was followed completely by every page out there. But server-side
includes solved this quite nicely. But if you prefer a syntax that
looks like HTML, smells like HTML, parses like HTML and could validate
as HTML - you'll have to prevent it from becoming valid differently.
And standards groups are precisely the place to do that sort of thing.


From bc979 at lafn.org  Wed May 16 22:41:30 2012
From: bc979 at lafn.org (Doug Hardie)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 22:41:30 -0700
Subject: [html5] Large Datalist
In-Reply-To: <op.wdr5gp1oidj3kv@simons-macbook-pro.local>
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On 4 May 2012, at 03:44, Simon Pieters wrote:

> On Fri, 04 May 2012 09:10:07 +0200, Doug Hardie <bc979 at lafn.org> wrote:
> 
>> That certainly eliminates the error and now I see that script in the browser.  I am unable to figure out how to reference a variable in a HTML element.  I tried the following but it doesn't work (I didn't think it would):
>> 
>> <INPUT NAME=place SIZE=48 MAXLENGTH=64 VALUE='xxx' LIST=datalist>.
>> 
>> It kept facilities as a string rather than using the var.
>> 
>> The following attempt to just check the var also failed:
>> 
>> <script>alert (datalist)</script>
>> 
>> That gives an alert dialog with [object Object].
>> 
>> I suspect I will need something like "<script>document.write (datalist)</script in the right place in the datalist html.  But I think I need to get the variable working first.
> 
> Fetch the JSON file with XHR and use JSON.parse, then populate a <datalist> with the data.
> 
> http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/saved/1509
> 
> 
>> 
>> On 3 May 2012, at 23:29, Tatham Oddie wrote:
>> 
>>> You'll need to put it in a variable to access it later.
>>> 
>>>   var datalist = {
>>>       "ID": "facilities",
>>>       "OPTION": [
>>>           {"LABEL": "St. Johns Hospital, Oxnard", "VALUE": "St. Johns"},
>>>           {"LABEL": "Pleasant Valley, Camarillo", "VALUE": "Pleasant Valley"},
>>>           {"LABEL": "Los Robles Hospital, Thousand Oaks", "VALUE": "Los Robles"}
>>>       ]
>>>   };
> 
> I wouldn't recommend doing this since it executes it as code, which is a potential risk.

Now that the school year is over, all the finals graded and grades entered, I can get back to this.

I found what appears to be a simpler approach.  In the js file is:

var DATALIST = "<DATALIST ID=facilities>" +
        "<OPTION LABEL='St. Johns Hospital, Oxnard' VALUE='St. Johns'>" +
        "<OPTION LABEL='Pleasant Valley, Camarillo' VALUE='Pleasant Valley'>" +
        "<OPTION LABEL='Los Robles Hospital, Thousand Oaks' VALUE='Los Robles'>" +
        "</DATALIST>";

then in the HTML is:
	<SCRIPT>document.write (DATALIST)</SCRIPT>
	<INPUT NAME=of SIZE=64 MAXLENGTH=64 VALUE='LIST=facilities'> 

This approach seems quite simple and works well with 3 entries.  However, when there are several hundred entries is it going to have scaling issues?






From webmaster at tsmchughs.com  Sat May 19 21:35:53 2012
From: webmaster at tsmchughs.com (Brian Tremblay)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 21:35:53 -0700
Subject: [html5] microdata and the dl element
Message-ID: <4FB874A9.6030006@tsmchughs.com>

I've marked up a restaurant menu using the <dl> element, with a <dt> for 
each item, followed by 2 or more <dd> elements, one for price, 
description, and, where appropriate, additional options.

I want to add microdata product markup (http://schema.org/Product) but 
can't find a way to do it. It seems like I need a wrapper for each menu 
item, which I sort of think should be there anyways. Can such a thing be 
added to html5? Perhaps <dli>, like so:

<dl>
  <dli>
   <dt>Artichoke Hearts Au Gratin</dt>
   <dd>$6.50</dd>
   <dd>baked artichoke hearts, with Irish soda bread</dd>
  </dli>
  <dli>
   <dt>Peel & Eat Shrimp</dt>
   <dd>$7.50</dd>
   <dd>half pound of chilled shrimp with cocktail sauce</dd>
  </dli>
</dl>

Barring the addition of a new element to be nested inside <dl>, the only 
solution I can see is to make each item its own description list, but 
that would be grossly abusive. (Does one item really constitute a list?

Menu url:

http://www.tsmchughs.com/menus/dinner

Any ideas?

-- 
Brian Tremblay


From bhawkeslewis at googlemail.com  Sun May 20 01:01:20 2012
From: bhawkeslewis at googlemail.com (Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 09:01:20 +0100
Subject: [html5] microdata and the dl element
In-Reply-To: <4FB874A9.6030006@tsmchughs.com>
References: <4FB874A9.6030006@tsmchughs.com>
Message-ID: <CAEhSh3drUDG_q2m+uK-2=LgT_OsmqjsCmypky+=qbCfyvttHZg@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 5:35 AM, Brian Tremblay <webmaster at tsmchughs.com> wrote:
> I've marked up a restaurant menu using the <dl> element, with a <dt> for
> each item, followed by 2 or more <dd> elements, one for price, description,
> and, where appropriate, additional options.
>
> I want to add microdata product markup (http://schema.org/Product) but can't
> find a way to do it. It seems like I need a wrapper for each menu item

No. You can use @itemref:

    http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/microdata.html#attr-itemref

For example:

 <dl>
    <dt id=artichokes
        itemscope
        itemtype=http://schema.org/Product
        itemref="artichokes-offers artichokes-description">
      <span itemprop=name>Artichoke Hearts Au Gratin</span>
    </dt>
    <dd id=artichokes-offers
        itemprop=offers
        itemscope
        itemtype=http://schema.org/Offer>
      <span itemprop=price>$6.50</span>
    </dd>
    <dd id=artichokes-description itemprop=description>
      Diced artichoke hearts baked in a cheddar-parmesan sauce.
      Served with our Irish soda bread and molasses wheat bread.
    </dd>

    <dt id=shrimp-cocktail
        itemscope
        itemtype=http://schema.org/Product
        itemref="shrimp-cocktail-offers shrimp-cocktail-description">
      <span itemprop=name>Peel &amp; Eat Shrimp</span>
    </dt>
    <dd id=shrimp-cocktail-offers
        itemprop=offers
        itemscope
        itemtype=http://schema.org/Offer>
      <span itemprop=price>$7.50</span>
    </dd>
    <dd id=shrimp-cocktail-description itemprop=description>
      A half pound of chilled shrimp with our cocktail sauce.
    </dd>

  </dl>


> which I sort of think should be there anyways.

This has been discussed many times before, mostly recently at:

http://www.w3.org/Search/Mail/Public/advanced_search?keywords=&hdr-1-name=subject&hdr-1-query=%3Cdi%3E+please&hdr-2-name=from&hdr-2-query=&hdr-3-name=message-id&hdr-3-query=&period_month=&period_year=&index-grp=Public__FULL&index-type=t&type-index=public-whatwg-archive&resultsperpage=100&sortby=date-asc

The editor's take was that features should be added to CSS to support
styling definition names and values as groups.

--
Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis


From webmaster at tsmchughs.com  Sun May 20 01:35:17 2012
From: webmaster at tsmchughs.com (Brian Tremblay)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 01:35:17 -0700
Subject: [html5] microdata and the dl element
In-Reply-To: <CAEhSh3drUDG_q2m+uK-2=LgT_OsmqjsCmypky+=qbCfyvttHZg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4FB874A9.6030006@tsmchughs.com>
	<CAEhSh3drUDG_q2m+uK-2=LgT_OsmqjsCmypky+=qbCfyvttHZg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4FB8ACC5.6060604@tsmchughs.com>

On 5/20/12 1:01 AM, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis wrote:
> On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 5:35 AM, Brian Tremblay wrote:
>> I've marked up a restaurant menu using the <dl> element, with a <dt> for
>> each item, followed by 2 or more <dd> elements, one for price, description,
>> and, where appropriate, additional options.
>>
>> I want to add microdata product markup (http://schema.org/Product) but can't
>> find a way to do it. It seems like I need a wrapper for each menu item
>
> No. You can use @itemref:
>
>   <dl>
>      <dt id=artichokes
>          itemscope
>          itemtype=http://schema.org/Product
>          itemref="artichokes-offers artichokes-description">
>        <span itemprop=name>Artichoke Hearts Au Gratin</span>
>      </dt>
>      <dd id=artichokes-offers
>          itemprop=offers
>          itemscope
>          itemtype=http://schema.org/Offer>
>        <span itemprop=price>$6.50</span>
>      </dd>
>      <dd id=artichokes-description itemprop=description>
>        Diced artichoke hearts baked in a cheddar-parmesan sauce.
>        Served with our Irish soda bread and molasses wheat bread.
>      </dd>
>
>      <dt id=shrimp-cocktail
>          itemscope
>          itemtype=http://schema.org/Product
>          itemref="shrimp-cocktail-offers shrimp-cocktail-description">
>        <span itemprop=name>Peel&amp; Eat Shrimp</span>
>      </dt>
>      <dd id=shrimp-cocktail-offers
>          itemprop=offers
>          itemscope
>          itemtype=http://schema.org/Offer>
>        <span itemprop=price>$7.50</span>
>      </dd>
>      <dd id=shrimp-cocktail-description itemprop=description>
>        A half pound of chilled shrimp with our cocktail sauce.
>      </dd>
>
>    </dl>

Yikes! That's a lot more markup than the original. And I'd have to 
manage unique ids for each menu item, too. It's getting mighty 
complicated.  :-(

>> which I sort of think should be there anyways.
>
> The editor's take was that features should be added to CSS to support
> styling definition names and values as groups.

I'd agree. But my case does not involve styling. It involves trees and 
subtrees and scoping. Without a <dli> there's no clear item parent for 
any <dt> or <dd> element.

-- 
Brian Tremblay


From jay at peepo.com  Mon May 21 00:58:15 2012
From: jay at peepo.com (jonathan chetwynd)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 08:58:15 +0100
Subject: [html5] Forms: how to replace checkbox with active graphic?
Message-ID: <53AE532A-50D5-4272-90F1-5C796D0BE704@peepo.com>

can anyone point me to  examples of active graphics in html5 forms?
similarly for radio buttons?

is there a technical description, or specification?

regards

 
Jonathan Chetwynd

~:" jay at peepo.com
http://www.peepo.com

+44 (0) 20 7978 1764


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From j.chetwynd at btinternet.com  Mon May 21 00:59:25 2012
From: j.chetwynd at btinternet.com (Jonathan Chetwynd)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 08:59:25 +0100
Subject: [html5] Forms: how to replace checkbox with active graphic?
Message-ID: <B42256DD-1452-40CB-9464-2335753F7009@btinternet.com>

can anyone point me to  examples of active graphics in html5 forms?
similarly for radio buttons?

is there a technical description, or specification?

regards

Jonathan Chetwynd
jay at peepo.com





From mampir at lavabit.com  Mon May 21 14:09:12 2012
From: mampir at lavabit.com (Mampir)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 00:09:12 +0300
Subject: [html5] The specification for offline use
Message-ID: <20120521210912.GA7944@localhost>

Hi!

How or where can I get the current version of the HTML specification
for easy offline use?  I want to be able to write HTML code with the
help of the current specification (Web Dev Edition or not), without a
connection to Internet.



From andy at nms.de  Mon May 21 23:10:57 2012
From: andy at nms.de (Andy Wenk)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 08:10:57 +0200
Subject: [html5] The specification for offline use
In-Reply-To: <20120521210912.GA7944@localhost>
References: <20120521210912.GA7944@localhost>
Message-ID: <CADA9kr9CsroT8SLduy95qhziQ_Xa96jHYfi4N5hHG=d4vB3VLw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

On 21 May 2012 23:09, Mampir <mampir at lavabit.com> wrote:
> Hi!
>
> How or where can I get the current version of the HTML specification
> for easy offline use? ?I want to be able to write HTML code with the
> help of the current specification (Web Dev Edition or not), without a
> connection to Internet.

one way is to use

wget -r http://your.html5specdomain.com

The program is available via the shell in Linux-like OS

http://www.gnu.org/software/wget/

Cheers

Andy

-- 
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Hamburg - Germany
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From bhawkeslewis at googlemail.com  Tue May 22 21:35:05 2012
From: bhawkeslewis at googlemail.com (Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 05:35:05 +0100
Subject: [html5] Forms: how to replace checkbox with active graphic?
In-Reply-To: <B42256DD-1452-40CB-9464-2335753F7009@btinternet.com>
References: <B42256DD-1452-40CB-9464-2335753F7009@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <CAEhSh3cvmUY+osuZMignfAgQnWmh6_LtkvmozfEd583zYg_fDQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 8:59 AM, Jonathan Chetwynd
<j.chetwynd at btinternet.com> wrote:
> can anyone point me to ?examples of active graphics in html5 forms?

What are "active graphics"?

> similarly for radio buttons?
>
> is there a technical description, or specification?

I assume you're not asking about input type=radio ? what are you
asking about though?

--
Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis


From bhawkeslewis at googlemail.com  Tue May 22 21:37:02 2012
From: bhawkeslewis at googlemail.com (Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 05:37:02 +0100
Subject: [html5] Forms: how to replace checkbox with active graphic?
In-Reply-To: <B42256DD-1452-40CB-9464-2335753F7009@btinternet.com>
References: <B42256DD-1452-40CB-9464-2335753F7009@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <CAEhSh3fK1ZVRy=uQx9tv+hTX0vnYskJ50vYBqGp8QBh6_xgsZQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 8:59 AM, Jonathan Chetwynd
<j.chetwynd at btinternet.com> wrote:
> can anyone point me to ?examples of active graphics in html5 forms?
> similarly for radio buttons?
>
> is there a technical description, or specification?

http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/webcomponents/raw-file/tip/explainer/index.html
might be the most immediately relevant work here.

--
Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis


From j.chetwynd at btinternet.com  Fri May 25 07:31:58 2012
From: j.chetwynd at btinternet.com (Jonathan Chetwynd)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 15:31:58 +0100
Subject: [html5] Forms: how to replace checkbox with active graphic?
In-Reply-To: <CAEhSh3cvmUY+osuZMignfAgQnWmh6_LtkvmozfEd583zYg_fDQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <B42256DD-1452-40CB-9464-2335753F7009@btinternet.com>
	<CAEhSh3cvmUY+osuZMignfAgQnWmh6_LtkvmozfEd583zYg_fDQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <600B760F-F127-4E77-AF3A-5E6F796C39CF@btinternet.com>


On 23 May 2012, at 05:35, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis wrote:
> What are "active graphics"?

Ben,

currently checkboxes show a tick and radio buttons an active centre.
however in a game GUI  this may spoil the illusion,
particularly where there is a single modality.
hence forms may appear as displays, and a highlight suggest active  
instead of a tick in a checkbox

I'm looking for one in a technical specification, or else the wild,
but one that specification conformant, ie accessibility etc...

regards

Jonathan Chetwynd
jay at peepo.com





From j.chetwynd at btinternet.com  Sat May 26 01:45:59 2012
From: j.chetwynd at btinternet.com (Jonathan Chetwynd)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2012 09:45:59 +0100
Subject: [html5] Forms: radio example was: how to replace checkbox with
	active graphic?
In-Reply-To: <CAEhSh3fK1ZVRy=uQx9tv+hTX0vnYskJ50vYBqGp8QBh6_xgsZQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <B42256DD-1452-40CB-9464-2335753F7009@btinternet.com>
	<CAEhSh3fK1ZVRy=uQx9tv+hTX0vnYskJ50vYBqGp8QBh6_xgsZQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <27500C49-1CE4-4D03-B7AB-777A49F59CAD@btinternet.com>

Ben

http://www.peepo.com now hosts a basic example to discuss

the size selector* resembles a radio button, with the one in use  
having a stroke.

however it is not currently a form, and hence script is being used.

it may be worthwhile creating a reduced testcase, however one then  
loses the context, or rationale...

regards

Jonathan Chetwynd
jay at peepo.com


only 9 and 19 are selectable as 13 is not implemented yet



From bc979 at lafn.org  Thu May  3 16:13:05 2012
From: bc979 at lafn.org (Doug Hardie)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 16:13:05 -0700
Subject: [html5] Large Datalist
Message-ID: <84DFC579-23DB-4ABD-A018-A3A77874DECB@lafn.org>

I have a large datalist that I would like to store in a file that can be downloaded to the browser when the user first establishes a session and then is used by the browser much like a javascript file.  Is there any way to do that?

From tatham at oddie.com.au  Thu May  3 16:17:21 2012
From: tatham at oddie.com.au (Tatham Oddie)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 23:17:21 +0000
Subject: [html5] Large Datalist
In-Reply-To: <84DFC579-23DB-4ABD-A018-A3A77874DECB@lafn.org>
References: <84DFC579-23DB-4ABD-A018-A3A77874DECB@lafn.org>
Message-ID: <913F550AEE09194E9D4B5BFB9CF3FD4B4B78570F@EXMBX08.netplexity.local>

Store it as JSON and load it as a .js file?

-- Tatham


-----Original Message-----
From: help-bounces at lists.whatwg.org [mailto:help-bounces at lists.whatwg.org] On Behalf Of Doug Hardie
Sent: Friday, 4 May 2012 9:13 AM
To: help at lists.whatwg.org
Subject: [html5] Large Datalist

I have a large datalist that I would like to store in a file that can be downloaded to the browser when the user first establishes a session and then is used by the browser much like a javascript file.  Is there any way to do that?
_______________________________________________
Help mailing list
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From bc979 at lafn.org  Thu May  3 23:17:29 2012
From: bc979 at lafn.org (Doug Hardie)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 23:17:29 -0700
Subject: [html5] Large Datalist
In-Reply-To: <764B6E38-7E69-4B48-92CF-A77CDB361722@lafn.org>
References: <84DFC579-23DB-4ABD-A018-A3A77874DECB@lafn.org>
	<913F550AEE09194E9D4B5BFB9CF3FD4B4B78570F@EXMBX08.netplexity.local>
	<764B6E38-7E69-4B48-92CF-A77CDB361722@lafn.org>
Message-ID: <3EC2FD56-B5AB-4DFF-98A7-C89237B2FDF8@lafn.org>


On 3 May 2012, at 23:16, Doug Hardie wrote:

> Great idea.  Here is the content of the js file:
> 
> {"DATALIST": {
>        "ID": "facilities",
>        "OPTION": [
>                {"LABEL": "St. Johns Hospital, Oxnard", "VALUE": "St. Johns"},
>                {"LABEL": "Pleasant Valley, Camarillo", "VALUE": "Pleasant Valley"},
>                {"LABEL": "Los Robles Hospital, Thousand Oaks", "VALUE": "Los Robles"}
>        ]
> }}
> 
> Loading it with:
> 
> <SCRIPT SRC=/RSS/bin/facilities.script></SCRIPT>
> 
> I get an "Unexpected token ":" on the first line.  Have I done something wrong?
> 
> 
> 
> On 3 May 2012, at 16:17, Tatham Oddie wrote:
> 
>> Store it as JSON and load it as a .js file?
>> 
>> -- Tatham
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: help-bounces at lists.whatwg.org [mailto:help-bounces at lists.whatwg.org] On Behalf Of Doug Hardie
>> Sent: Friday, 4 May 2012 9:13 AM
>> To: help at lists.whatwg.org
>> Subject: [html5] Large Datalist
>> 
>> I have a large datalist that I would like to store in a file that can be downloaded to the browser when the user first establishes a session and then is used by the browser much like a javascript file.  Is there any way to do that?
>> _______________________________________________
>> Help mailing list
>> Help at lists.whatwg.org
>> http://lists.whatwg.org/listinfo.cgi/help-whatwg.org
>> 
> 



From tatham at oddie.com.au  Thu May  3 23:29:26 2012
From: tatham at oddie.com.au (Tatham Oddie)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 06:29:26 +0000
Subject: [html5] Large Datalist
In-Reply-To: <3EC2FD56-B5AB-4DFF-98A7-C89237B2FDF8@lafn.org>
References: <84DFC579-23DB-4ABD-A018-A3A77874DECB@lafn.org>
	<913F550AEE09194E9D4B5BFB9CF3FD4B4B78570F@EXMBX08.netplexity.local>
	<764B6E38-7E69-4B48-92CF-A77CDB361722@lafn.org>
	<3EC2FD56-B5AB-4DFF-98A7-C89237B2FDF8@lafn.org>
Message-ID: <913F550AEE09194E9D4B5BFB9CF3FD4B4B785D5E@EXMBX08.netplexity.local>

You'll need to put it in a variable to access it later.

    var datalist = {
        "ID": "facilities",
        "OPTION": [
            {"LABEL": "St. Johns Hospital, Oxnard", "VALUE": "St. Johns"},
            {"LABEL": "Pleasant Valley, Camarillo", "VALUE": "Pleasant Valley"},
            {"LABEL": "Los Robles Hospital, Thousand Oaks", "VALUE": "Los Robles"}
        ]
    };

-- Tatham

-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Hardie [mailto:bc979 at lafn.org] 
Sent: Friday, 4 May 2012 4:17 PM
To: Tatham Oddie; help at lists.whatwg.org
Subject: Re: [html5] Large Datalist


On 3 May 2012, at 23:16, Doug Hardie wrote:

> Great idea.  Here is the content of the js file:
> 
> {"DATALIST": {
>        "ID": "facilities",
>        "OPTION": [
>                {"LABEL": "St. Johns Hospital, Oxnard", "VALUE": "St. Johns"},
>                {"LABEL": "Pleasant Valley, Camarillo", "VALUE": "Pleasant Valley"},
>                {"LABEL": "Los Robles Hospital, Thousand Oaks", "VALUE": "Los Robles"}
>        ]
> }}
> 
> Loading it with:
> 
> <SCRIPT SRC=/RSS/bin/facilities.script></SCRIPT>
> 
> I get an "Unexpected token ":" on the first line.  Have I done something wrong?
> 
> 
> 
> On 3 May 2012, at 16:17, Tatham Oddie wrote:
> 
>> Store it as JSON and load it as a .js file?
>> 
>> -- Tatham
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: help-bounces at lists.whatwg.org [mailto:help-bounces at lists.whatwg.org] On Behalf Of Doug Hardie
>> Sent: Friday, 4 May 2012 9:13 AM
>> To: help at lists.whatwg.org
>> Subject: [html5] Large Datalist
>> 
>> I have a large datalist that I would like to store in a file that can be downloaded to the browser when the user first establishes a session and then is used by the browser much like a javascript file.  Is there any way to do that?
>> _______________________________________________
>> Help mailing list
>> Help at lists.whatwg.org
>> http://lists.whatwg.org/listinfo.cgi/help-whatwg.org
>> 
> 



From bc979 at lafn.org  Fri May  4 00:10:07 2012
From: bc979 at lafn.org (Doug Hardie)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 00:10:07 -0700
Subject: [html5] Large Datalist
In-Reply-To: <913F550AEE09194E9D4B5BFB9CF3FD4B4B785D5E@EXMBX08.netplexity.local>
References: <84DFC579-23DB-4ABD-A018-A3A77874DECB@lafn.org>
	<913F550AEE09194E9D4B5BFB9CF3FD4B4B78570F@EXMBX08.netplexity.local>
	<764B6E38-7E69-4B48-92CF-A77CDB361722@lafn.org>
	<3EC2FD56-B5AB-4DFF-98A7-C89237B2FDF8@lafn.org>
	<913F550AEE09194E9D4B5BFB9CF3FD4B4B785D5E@EXMBX08.netplexity.local>
Message-ID: <45C79668-825B-470F-8CD3-4FF0C4EFFCF3@lafn.org>

That certainly eliminates the error and now I see that script in the browser.  I am unable to figure out how to reference a variable in a HTML element.  I tried the following but it doesn't work (I didn't think it would):

<INPUT NAME=place SIZE=48 MAXLENGTH=64 VALUE='xxx' LIST=datalist>.

It kept facilities as a string rather than using the var.

The following attempt to just check the var also failed:

<script>alert (datalist)</script>

That gives an alert dialog with [object Object].

I suspect I will need something like "<script>document.write (datalist)</script in the right place in the datalist html.  But I think I need to get the variable working first.


On 3 May 2012, at 23:29, Tatham Oddie wrote:

> You'll need to put it in a variable to access it later.
> 
>    var datalist = {
>        "ID": "facilities",
>        "OPTION": [
>            {"LABEL": "St. Johns Hospital, Oxnard", "VALUE": "St. Johns"},
>            {"LABEL": "Pleasant Valley, Camarillo", "VALUE": "Pleasant Valley"},
>            {"LABEL": "Los Robles Hospital, Thousand Oaks", "VALUE": "Los Robles"}
>        ]
>    };
> 
> -- Tatham
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Doug Hardie [mailto:bc979 at lafn.org] 
> Sent: Friday, 4 May 2012 4:17 PM
> To: Tatham Oddie; help at lists.whatwg.org
> Subject: Re: [html5] Large Datalist
> 
> 
> On 3 May 2012, at 23:16, Doug Hardie wrote:
> 
>> Great idea.  Here is the content of the js file:
>> 
>> {"DATALIST": {
>>       "ID": "facilities",
>>       "OPTION": [
>>               {"LABEL": "St. Johns Hospital, Oxnard", "VALUE": "St. Johns"},
>>               {"LABEL": "Pleasant Valley, Camarillo", "VALUE": "Pleasant Valley"},
>>               {"LABEL": "Los Robles Hospital, Thousand Oaks", "VALUE": "Los Robles"}
>>       ]
>> }}
>> 
>> Loading it with:
>> 
>> <SCRIPT SRC=/RSS/bin/facilities.script></SCRIPT>
>> 
>> I get an "Unexpected token ":" on the first line.  Have I done something wrong?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 3 May 2012, at 16:17, Tatham Oddie wrote:
>> 
>>> Store it as JSON and load it as a .js file?
>>> 
>>> -- Tatham
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: help-bounces at lists.whatwg.org [mailto:help-bounces at lists.whatwg.org] On Behalf Of Doug Hardie
>>> Sent: Friday, 4 May 2012 9:13 AM
>>> To: help at lists.whatwg.org
>>> Subject: [html5] Large Datalist
>>> 
>>> I have a large datalist that I would like to store in a file that can be downloaded to the browser when the user first establishes a session and then is used by the browser much like a javascript file.  Is there any way to do that?
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Help mailing list
>>> Help at lists.whatwg.org
>>> http://lists.whatwg.org/listinfo.cgi/help-whatwg.org
>>> 
>> 
> 
> 



From simonp at opera.com  Fri May  4 03:44:39 2012
From: simonp at opera.com (Simon Pieters)
Date: Fri, 04 May 2012 12:44:39 +0200
Subject: [html5] Large Datalist
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On Fri, 04 May 2012 09:10:07 +0200, Doug Hardie <bc979 at lafn.org> wrote:

> That certainly eliminates the error and now I see that script in the  
> browser.  I am unable to figure out how to reference a variable in a  
> HTML element.  I tried the following but it doesn't work (I didn't think  
> it would):
>
> <INPUT NAME=place SIZE=48 MAXLENGTH=64 VALUE='xxx' LIST=datalist>.
>
> It kept facilities as a string rather than using the var.
>
> The following attempt to just check the var also failed:
>
> <script>alert (datalist)</script>
>
> That gives an alert dialog with [object Object].
>
> I suspect I will need something like "<script>document.write  
> (datalist)</script in the right place in the datalist html.  But I think  
> I need to get the variable working first.

Fetch the JSON file with XHR and use JSON.parse, then populate a  
<datalist> with the data.

http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/saved/1509


>
> On 3 May 2012, at 23:29, Tatham Oddie wrote:
>
>> You'll need to put it in a variable to access it later.
>>
>>    var datalist = {
>>        "ID": "facilities",
>>        "OPTION": [
>>            {"LABEL": "St. Johns Hospital, Oxnard", "VALUE": "St.  
>> Johns"},
>>            {"LABEL": "Pleasant Valley, Camarillo", "VALUE": "Pleasant  
>> Valley"},
>>            {"LABEL": "Los Robles Hospital, Thousand Oaks", "VALUE":  
>> "Los Robles"}
>>        ]
>>    };

I wouldn't recommend doing this since it executes it as code, which is a  
potential risk.

-- 
Simon Pieters
Opera Software


From mfidelman at meetinghouse.net  Mon May  7 09:35:40 2012
From: mfidelman at meetinghouse.net (Miles Fidelman)
Date: Mon, 07 May 2012 12:35:40 -0400
Subject: [html5] AppCache <-> HTTP interactions when offline
Message-ID: <4FA7F9DC.5080002@meetinghouse.net>

Hi Folks,

I'm looking at alternative ways to edit documents in a browser, then 
store the results - that will work both online and offline.

Something that I can't seem to find documented anywhere is the behavior 
of AppCache vis-a-vis any HTTP operation other than GET.

In particular, if one uses JavaScript to modify the DOM on an active 
page, then tries to PUT a replacement page - what is a browser supposed 
to do when it's offline?  What do current browsers actually do?  Is any 
of this documented anywhere.

Come to think of it... is there any documentation on how browsers 
should/do respond to changes to active documents (e.g., if one uses 
JavaScript to modify the DOM then tries to save the page as a file - 
what should/does get saved)?

Pointers to standards, design documents, presentations, would be very 
much appreciated.

Thanks much,

Miles Fidelman

-- 
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice, there is.   .... Yogi Berra




From weirdave at aol.com  Mon May  7 12:31:31 2012
From: weirdave at aol.com (R David Paine III / WeirDave)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 15:31:31 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [html5] ASP and Random Text Files
Message-ID: <8CEFA9F239D1F3E-1D78-5722@webmail-d129.sysops.aol.com>

I am a casual web developer with simplistic sites that I work on for barter. My personal website has been up for over two decades and still has pretty decent traffic, but I would like to increase that by including my poetry on the website but I don't feel like making a page for each poem as I have a couple of hundred. I was wondering if there was a way to randomly include from a folder of my works a poem a day or something like that. I have them in word doc format and text at the moment. I used ASP to make formatting easier and have been using it in its simple form for awhile and I am certain there are more advanced features I am certain I am missing. Any assistance would be appreciated.
 

 

R David Paine III / WeirDave
weirdave at aol.com
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From andy at nms.de  Mon May  7 12:46:56 2012
From: andy at nms.de (Andy Wenk)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 21:46:56 +0200
Subject: [html5] ASP and Random Text Files
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Hi David,

why not putting the poems (txt format) in a folder structure eg:

+ year
   + month

and refer to them via a link you put into a poems.html page:

<p>2011</p>
<ul>
  <li>
    <a href="/poems/2012/poem-name.txt">Poem nam</a>
  </li>
</ul>

This would be the simplest way. I guess there is also a way to create
a list with ASP.

But you should also give JavaScript and AJAX a try. A good starting
point would be to use http://www.jquery.com. You could create a simple
data-structure in JavaScript which is corresponding to the folder
structure with the poems. You could open the text-files
(http://api.jquery.com/load/) and put the contents to the page
(http://api.jquery.com/append/, http://api.jquery.com/html/). So you
would have one poems.html page and change the content dynamically with
AJAX and the support of jQuery.

Hope this is kind of a starting point ;-)

Cheers

Andy

On 7 May 2012 21:31, R David Paine III / WeirDave <weirdave at aol.com> wrote:
> I am a casual web developer with simplistic sites that I work on for barter.
> My personal website has been up for over two decades and still has pretty
> decent traffic, but I would like to increase that by including my poetry on
> the website but I don't feel like making a page for each poem as I have a
> couple of hundred. I was wondering if there was a way to randomly include
> from a folder of my works a poem a day or something like that. I have them
> in word doc format and text at the moment. I used ASP to make formatting
> easier and have been using it in its simple form for awhile and I am certain
> there are more advanced features I am certain I am missing. Any assistance
> would be appreciated.
>
>
> R David Paine III / WeirDave
> weirdave at aol.com
> Find me at about.me/weirdave and http://www.weirdave.com
>
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Hamburg - Germany
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From themoran2 at gmail.com  Tue May  8 13:02:17 2012
From: themoran2 at gmail.com (Marcus Hansson)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 22:02:17 +0200
Subject: [html5] ASP and Random Text Files
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Why not put the data in a database?

That way you'll be able to get a random (or just about any)
poem with a single file.

Unfortunately I can't help you with asp (never used it),
but you could take a look at the following for some reference:
http://net.tutsplus.com/tutorials/databases/sql-for-beginners/
http://www.w3schools.com/aspnet/aspnet_dbconnection.asp

Also, as mentioned earlier, you could use Javascript and either
link to the file or embed it with a frame or what-not.

With some clever naming convention of your files (e.g. poem1.doc,
poem2.doc, etc.),
you could use something like (alert: pseudo-code):

// get a random number between 1 and 100
// (of course, this should map to your filenames in some way)
var article_id = Math.floor((Math.random()*100));

// and here you pull it in with ajax, or simply just create a link node in
the html
var article = ....

//Marcus


2012/5/7 R David Paine III / WeirDave <weirdave at aol.com>

> I am a casual web developer with simplistic sites that I work on for
> barter. My personal website has been up for over two decades and still has
> pretty decent traffic, but I would like to increase that by including my
> poetry on the website but I don't feel like making a page for each poem as
> I have a couple of hundred. I was wondering if there was a way to randomly
> include from a folder of my works a poem a day or something like that. I
> have them in word doc format and text at the moment. I used ASP to make
> formatting easier and have been using it in its simple form for awhile and
> I am certain there are more advanced features I am certain I am missing.
> Any assistance would be appreciated.
>
>
>  R David Paine III / WeirDave
> weirdave at aol.com
> Find me at about.me/weirdave and http://www.weirdave.com
>  <http://about.me/weirdave>
>
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From derernst at gmx.ch  Mon May 14 05:14:25 2012
From: derernst at gmx.ch (Markus Ernst)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 14:14:25 +0200
Subject: [html5] Thread about runat (or "server") attribute in WHATWG
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Hello

I hope this is the appropriate place for my question; otherwise feel 
free to ignore it.

I read a discussion on an attribute to specify server-side Javascript in 
the WHATWG mailing list. Now I do not know a lot about server-side 
Javascript, but I know that server-side code does usually (well, at 
least in the scripting languages I am familiar with) not appear in HTML, 
but rather the results of the server-side execution of that code. Thus I 
am very surprised to read HTML experts discuss about server-side stuff. 
Why should server-side code appear in the HTML spec?

Thanks for enlightening me!
Markus


From svartman95 at gmail.com  Mon May 14 05:54:13 2012
From: svartman95 at gmail.com (Bjartur Thorlacius)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 12:54:13 +0000
Subject: [html5] Thread about runat (or "server") attribute in WHATWG
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On 5/14/12, Markus Ernst <derernst at gmx.ch> wrote:
> I read a discussion on an attribute to specify server-side Javascript in
> the WHATWG mailing list. Now I do not know a lot about server-side
> Javascript, but I know that server-side code does usually (well, at
> least in the scripting languages I am familiar with) not appear in HTML,
> but rather the results of the server-side execution of that code. Thus I
> am very surprised to read HTML experts discuss about server-side stuff.
> Why should server-side code appear in the HTML spec?
>
The discussion is not so much about standardizing server-side code,
but rather about reserving the attribute for internal usage. That is,
rather than defining semantics for @runat or @server, WHATWG would
simply promise to never standardize an attribute so named for other
purposes. Reserving the attribute would allow servers to use a strict
superset of HTML internally without worrying about
forward-compatibility.

If, on the other hand, an independent standardization group or any
HTML generator decided to start using @server without ever contacting
WHATWG, the WHATWG might incompatibly decide to use @server for
something else, perhaps web worker related. That would make the HTML
generators markup language into a subtly incompatible dialect of HTML,
instead of a compatible superset.

That can be resolved by using a different syntax that will not become
valid HTML in the foreseeable future. In theory, SGML would have made
this easier, but in practice SGML is too general and the standard
never was followed completely by every page out there. But server-side
includes solved this quite nicely. But if you prefer a syntax that
looks like HTML, smells like HTML, parses like HTML and could validate
as HTML - you'll have to prevent it from becoming valid differently.
And standards groups are precisely the place to do that sort of thing.


From bc979 at lafn.org  Wed May 16 22:41:30 2012
From: bc979 at lafn.org (Doug Hardie)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 22:41:30 -0700
Subject: [html5] Large Datalist
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On 4 May 2012, at 03:44, Simon Pieters wrote:

> On Fri, 04 May 2012 09:10:07 +0200, Doug Hardie <bc979 at lafn.org> wrote:
> 
>> That certainly eliminates the error and now I see that script in the browser.  I am unable to figure out how to reference a variable in a HTML element.  I tried the following but it doesn't work (I didn't think it would):
>> 
>> <INPUT NAME=place SIZE=48 MAXLENGTH=64 VALUE='xxx' LIST=datalist>.
>> 
>> It kept facilities as a string rather than using the var.
>> 
>> The following attempt to just check the var also failed:
>> 
>> <script>alert (datalist)</script>
>> 
>> That gives an alert dialog with [object Object].
>> 
>> I suspect I will need something like "<script>document.write (datalist)</script in the right place in the datalist html.  But I think I need to get the variable working first.
> 
> Fetch the JSON file with XHR and use JSON.parse, then populate a <datalist> with the data.
> 
> http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/saved/1509
> 
> 
>> 
>> On 3 May 2012, at 23:29, Tatham Oddie wrote:
>> 
>>> You'll need to put it in a variable to access it later.
>>> 
>>>   var datalist = {
>>>       "ID": "facilities",
>>>       "OPTION": [
>>>           {"LABEL": "St. Johns Hospital, Oxnard", "VALUE": "St. Johns"},
>>>           {"LABEL": "Pleasant Valley, Camarillo", "VALUE": "Pleasant Valley"},
>>>           {"LABEL": "Los Robles Hospital, Thousand Oaks", "VALUE": "Los Robles"}
>>>       ]
>>>   };
> 
> I wouldn't recommend doing this since it executes it as code, which is a potential risk.

Now that the school year is over, all the finals graded and grades entered, I can get back to this.

I found what appears to be a simpler approach.  In the js file is:

var DATALIST = "<DATALIST ID=facilities>" +
        "<OPTION LABEL='St. Johns Hospital, Oxnard' VALUE='St. Johns'>" +
        "<OPTION LABEL='Pleasant Valley, Camarillo' VALUE='Pleasant Valley'>" +
        "<OPTION LABEL='Los Robles Hospital, Thousand Oaks' VALUE='Los Robles'>" +
        "</DATALIST>";

then in the HTML is:
	<SCRIPT>document.write (DATALIST)</SCRIPT>
	<INPUT NAME=of SIZE=64 MAXLENGTH=64 VALUE='LIST=facilities'> 

This approach seems quite simple and works well with 3 entries.  However, when there are several hundred entries is it going to have scaling issues?






From webmaster at tsmchughs.com  Sat May 19 21:35:53 2012
From: webmaster at tsmchughs.com (Brian Tremblay)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 21:35:53 -0700
Subject: [html5] microdata and the dl element
Message-ID: <4FB874A9.6030006@tsmchughs.com>

I've marked up a restaurant menu using the <dl> element, with a <dt> for 
each item, followed by 2 or more <dd> elements, one for price, 
description, and, where appropriate, additional options.

I want to add microdata product markup (http://schema.org/Product) but 
can't find a way to do it. It seems like I need a wrapper for each menu 
item, which I sort of think should be there anyways. Can such a thing be 
added to html5? Perhaps <dli>, like so:

<dl>
  <dli>
   <dt>Artichoke Hearts Au Gratin</dt>
   <dd>$6.50</dd>
   <dd>baked artichoke hearts, with Irish soda bread</dd>
  </dli>
  <dli>
   <dt>Peel & Eat Shrimp</dt>
   <dd>$7.50</dd>
   <dd>half pound of chilled shrimp with cocktail sauce</dd>
  </dli>
</dl>

Barring the addition of a new element to be nested inside <dl>, the only 
solution I can see is to make each item its own description list, but 
that would be grossly abusive. (Does one item really constitute a list?

Menu url:

http://www.tsmchughs.com/menus/dinner

Any ideas?

-- 
Brian Tremblay


From bhawkeslewis at googlemail.com  Sun May 20 01:01:20 2012
From: bhawkeslewis at googlemail.com (Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 09:01:20 +0100
Subject: [html5] microdata and the dl element
In-Reply-To: <4FB874A9.6030006@tsmchughs.com>
References: <4FB874A9.6030006@tsmchughs.com>
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On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 5:35 AM, Brian Tremblay <webmaster at tsmchughs.com> wrote:
> I've marked up a restaurant menu using the <dl> element, with a <dt> for
> each item, followed by 2 or more <dd> elements, one for price, description,
> and, where appropriate, additional options.
>
> I want to add microdata product markup (http://schema.org/Product) but can't
> find a way to do it. It seems like I need a wrapper for each menu item

No. You can use @itemref:

    http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/microdata.html#attr-itemref

For example:

 <dl>
    <dt id=artichokes
        itemscope
        itemtype=http://schema.org/Product
        itemref="artichokes-offers artichokes-description">
      <span itemprop=name>Artichoke Hearts Au Gratin</span>
    </dt>
    <dd id=artichokes-offers
        itemprop=offers
        itemscope
        itemtype=http://schema.org/Offer>
      <span itemprop=price>$6.50</span>
    </dd>
    <dd id=artichokes-description itemprop=description>
      Diced artichoke hearts baked in a cheddar-parmesan sauce.
      Served with our Irish soda bread and molasses wheat bread.
    </dd>

    <dt id=shrimp-cocktail
        itemscope
        itemtype=http://schema.org/Product
        itemref="shrimp-cocktail-offers shrimp-cocktail-description">
      <span itemprop=name>Peel &amp; Eat Shrimp</span>
    </dt>
    <dd id=shrimp-cocktail-offers
        itemprop=offers
        itemscope
        itemtype=http://schema.org/Offer>
      <span itemprop=price>$7.50</span>
    </dd>
    <dd id=shrimp-cocktail-description itemprop=description>
      A half pound of chilled shrimp with our cocktail sauce.
    </dd>

  </dl>


> which I sort of think should be there anyways.

This has been discussed many times before, mostly recently at:

http://www.w3.org/Search/Mail/Public/advanced_search?keywords=&hdr-1-name=subject&hdr-1-query=%3Cdi%3E+please&hdr-2-name=from&hdr-2-query=&hdr-3-name=message-id&hdr-3-query=&period_month=&period_year=&index-grp=Public__FULL&index-type=t&type-index=public-whatwg-archive&resultsperpage=100&sortby=date-asc

The editor's take was that features should be added to CSS to support
styling definition names and values as groups.

--
Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis


From webmaster at tsmchughs.com  Sun May 20 01:35:17 2012
From: webmaster at tsmchughs.com (Brian Tremblay)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 01:35:17 -0700
Subject: [html5] microdata and the dl element
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Message-ID: <4FB8ACC5.6060604@tsmchughs.com>

On 5/20/12 1:01 AM, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis wrote:
> On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 5:35 AM, Brian Tremblay wrote:
>> I've marked up a restaurant menu using the <dl> element, with a <dt> for
>> each item, followed by 2 or more <dd> elements, one for price, description,
>> and, where appropriate, additional options.
>>
>> I want to add microdata product markup (http://schema.org/Product) but can't
>> find a way to do it. It seems like I need a wrapper for each menu item
>
> No. You can use @itemref:
>
>   <dl>
>      <dt id=artichokes
>          itemscope
>          itemtype=http://schema.org/Product
>          itemref="artichokes-offers artichokes-description">
>        <span itemprop=name>Artichoke Hearts Au Gratin</span>
>      </dt>
>      <dd id=artichokes-offers
>          itemprop=offers
>          itemscope
>          itemtype=http://schema.org/Offer>
>        <span itemprop=price>$6.50</span>
>      </dd>
>      <dd id=artichokes-description itemprop=description>
>        Diced artichoke hearts baked in a cheddar-parmesan sauce.
>        Served with our Irish soda bread and molasses wheat bread.
>      </dd>
>
>      <dt id=shrimp-cocktail
>          itemscope
>          itemtype=http://schema.org/Product
>          itemref="shrimp-cocktail-offers shrimp-cocktail-description">
>        <span itemprop=name>Peel&amp; Eat Shrimp</span>
>      </dt>
>      <dd id=shrimp-cocktail-offers
>          itemprop=offers
>          itemscope
>          itemtype=http://schema.org/Offer>
>        <span itemprop=price>$7.50</span>
>      </dd>
>      <dd id=shrimp-cocktail-description itemprop=description>
>        A half pound of chilled shrimp with our cocktail sauce.
>      </dd>
>
>    </dl>

Yikes! That's a lot more markup than the original. And I'd have to 
manage unique ids for each menu item, too. It's getting mighty 
complicated.  :-(

>> which I sort of think should be there anyways.
>
> The editor's take was that features should be added to CSS to support
> styling definition names and values as groups.

I'd agree. But my case does not involve styling. It involves trees and 
subtrees and scoping. Without a <dli> there's no clear item parent for 
any <dt> or <dd> element.

-- 
Brian Tremblay


From jay at peepo.com  Mon May 21 00:58:15 2012
From: jay at peepo.com (jonathan chetwynd)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 08:58:15 +0100
Subject: [html5] Forms: how to replace checkbox with active graphic?
Message-ID: <53AE532A-50D5-4272-90F1-5C796D0BE704@peepo.com>

can anyone point me to  examples of active graphics in html5 forms?
similarly for radio buttons?

is there a technical description, or specification?

regards

 
Jonathan Chetwynd

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http://www.peepo.com

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From j.chetwynd at btinternet.com  Mon May 21 00:59:25 2012
From: j.chetwynd at btinternet.com (Jonathan Chetwynd)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 08:59:25 +0100
Subject: [html5] Forms: how to replace checkbox with active graphic?
Message-ID: <B42256DD-1452-40CB-9464-2335753F7009@btinternet.com>

can anyone point me to  examples of active graphics in html5 forms?
similarly for radio buttons?

is there a technical description, or specification?

regards

Jonathan Chetwynd
jay at peepo.com





From mampir at lavabit.com  Mon May 21 14:09:12 2012
From: mampir at lavabit.com (Mampir)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 00:09:12 +0300
Subject: [html5] The specification for offline use
Message-ID: <20120521210912.GA7944@localhost>

Hi!

How or where can I get the current version of the HTML specification
for easy offline use?  I want to be able to write HTML code with the
help of the current specification (Web Dev Edition or not), without a
connection to Internet.



From andy at nms.de  Mon May 21 23:10:57 2012
From: andy at nms.de (Andy Wenk)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 08:10:57 +0200
Subject: [html5] The specification for offline use
In-Reply-To: <20120521210912.GA7944@localhost>
References: <20120521210912.GA7944@localhost>
Message-ID: <CADA9kr9CsroT8SLduy95qhziQ_Xa96jHYfi4N5hHG=d4vB3VLw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

On 21 May 2012 23:09, Mampir <mampir at lavabit.com> wrote:
> Hi!
>
> How or where can I get the current version of the HTML specification
> for easy offline use? ?I want to be able to write HTML code with the
> help of the current specification (Web Dev Edition or not), without a
> connection to Internet.

one way is to use

wget -r http://your.html5specdomain.com

The program is available via the shell in Linux-like OS

http://www.gnu.org/software/wget/

Cheers

Andy

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From bhawkeslewis at googlemail.com  Tue May 22 21:35:05 2012
From: bhawkeslewis at googlemail.com (Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 05:35:05 +0100
Subject: [html5] Forms: how to replace checkbox with active graphic?
In-Reply-To: <B42256DD-1452-40CB-9464-2335753F7009@btinternet.com>
References: <B42256DD-1452-40CB-9464-2335753F7009@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <CAEhSh3cvmUY+osuZMignfAgQnWmh6_LtkvmozfEd583zYg_fDQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 8:59 AM, Jonathan Chetwynd
<j.chetwynd at btinternet.com> wrote:
> can anyone point me to ?examples of active graphics in html5 forms?

What are "active graphics"?

> similarly for radio buttons?
>
> is there a technical description, or specification?

I assume you're not asking about input type=radio ? what are you
asking about though?

--
Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis


From bhawkeslewis at googlemail.com  Tue May 22 21:37:02 2012
From: bhawkeslewis at googlemail.com (Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 05:37:02 +0100
Subject: [html5] Forms: how to replace checkbox with active graphic?
In-Reply-To: <B42256DD-1452-40CB-9464-2335753F7009@btinternet.com>
References: <B42256DD-1452-40CB-9464-2335753F7009@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <CAEhSh3fK1ZVRy=uQx9tv+hTX0vnYskJ50vYBqGp8QBh6_xgsZQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 8:59 AM, Jonathan Chetwynd
<j.chetwynd at btinternet.com> wrote:
> can anyone point me to ?examples of active graphics in html5 forms?
> similarly for radio buttons?
>
> is there a technical description, or specification?

http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/webcomponents/raw-file/tip/explainer/index.html
might be the most immediately relevant work here.

--
Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis


From j.chetwynd at btinternet.com  Fri May 25 07:31:58 2012
From: j.chetwynd at btinternet.com (Jonathan Chetwynd)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 15:31:58 +0100
Subject: [html5] Forms: how to replace checkbox with active graphic?
In-Reply-To: <CAEhSh3cvmUY+osuZMignfAgQnWmh6_LtkvmozfEd583zYg_fDQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <B42256DD-1452-40CB-9464-2335753F7009@btinternet.com>
	<CAEhSh3cvmUY+osuZMignfAgQnWmh6_LtkvmozfEd583zYg_fDQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <600B760F-F127-4E77-AF3A-5E6F796C39CF@btinternet.com>


On 23 May 2012, at 05:35, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis wrote:
> What are "active graphics"?

Ben,

currently checkboxes show a tick and radio buttons an active centre.
however in a game GUI  this may spoil the illusion,
particularly where there is a single modality.
hence forms may appear as displays, and a highlight suggest active  
instead of a tick in a checkbox

I'm looking for one in a technical specification, or else the wild,
but one that specification conformant, ie accessibility etc...

regards

Jonathan Chetwynd
jay at peepo.com





From j.chetwynd at btinternet.com  Sat May 26 01:45:59 2012
From: j.chetwynd at btinternet.com (Jonathan Chetwynd)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2012 09:45:59 +0100
Subject: [html5] Forms: radio example was: how to replace checkbox with
	active graphic?
In-Reply-To: <CAEhSh3fK1ZVRy=uQx9tv+hTX0vnYskJ50vYBqGp8QBh6_xgsZQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <B42256DD-1452-40CB-9464-2335753F7009@btinternet.com>
	<CAEhSh3fK1ZVRy=uQx9tv+hTX0vnYskJ50vYBqGp8QBh6_xgsZQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <27500C49-1CE4-4D03-B7AB-777A49F59CAD@btinternet.com>

Ben

http://www.peepo.com now hosts a basic example to discuss

the size selector* resembles a radio button, with the one in use  
having a stroke.

however it is not currently a form, and hence script is being used.

it may be worthwhile creating a reduced testcase, however one then  
loses the context, or rationale...

regards

Jonathan Chetwynd
jay at peepo.com


only 9 and 19 are selectable as 13 is not implemented yet