<font size="4"><font face="georgia,serif"><br></font></font><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 28 November 2012 15:22, Prof. T.D. Wilson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:wilsontd@gmail.com" target="_blank">wilsontd@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><font size="4"><font face="georgia,serif">Just a small point - these aren't "semantic", they are simply (as you note) layout tags - they say nothing about the meaning of what is between the tags and there is no connection between tag and content other than to indicate where the content is to be found - at the head of a page, or the foot of the page, etc. A "semantic" tag would have to say what the content is about, and I can't imagine any such tags being developed any time soon :-)<br>
</font></font><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 28 November 2012 09:19, Markus Ernst <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:derernst@gmx.ch" target="_blank">derernst@gmx.ch</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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Hello<br>
<br>
I try to follow the discussion on the main element in the WHATWG list. I don't want to bloat that discussion with my dummy question, so I post it here in the Help list - feel free to ignore it if you think this has been discussed enough before; this is no trolling attempt however (I actually tried to find the old discussions, but the list archive search does not seem to find any matches for "nav" or "aside" right now).<br>
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The longer the main element is discussed, the more I ask myself what is actually the point in all the new semantic elements such as nav, header, footer and aside. Would it not be much easier to solve this via an attribute?<br>
<ul role="navigation">...</ul><br>
seems to be simpler to me than:<br>
<nav><ul>...</ul></nav><br>
<br>
And the former would even be better with regard to BC compatibility (at least I assume that a CSS selector "ul[role=navigation]" has better support in legacy browsers than the selector "nav ul").<br>
<br>
Trying to understand the ARIA roles, I see that this model is indeed too sophisticated to be adopted by the majority of authors. But this could be worked around easily in 2 ways:<br>
- Introduce a global attribute @role to the HTML spec, and suggest the ARIA roles to be used as values for navigation, header, footer and aside type content (which would reduce the discussion on main to it being mentioned in the HTML spec or not as a suggested value of @role)<br>
- Introduce a new global attribute with a set of values for those types of content<br>
<br>
OTOH, introducing hav, header, footer and aside elements adds complexity to the document structure by inserting elements that have the sole purpose of telling the UA what kind of contents they have inside. If this is no problem - then I don't see why it is such a hard discussion on adding the main element, too.<br>
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