Hello,<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 10/30/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">Charles Iliya Krempeaux</b> <<a href="mailto:supercanadian@gmail.com">supercanadian@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Hello,<br><br><div><span class="q"><span class="gmail_quote">On 10/30/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">Ian Hickson</b> <<a href="mailto:ian@hixie.ch" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
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On Mon, 30 Oct 2006, Charles Iliya Krempeaux wrote:<br>><br>> Would you be open to hearing suggestions about how to add native video<br>> and video player support?<br><br>Sure. FWIW, there's a lot of interest in browser vendors about introducing
<br>a <video> element or some such (or maybe making browsers natively support<br>video in <object>, or both).<br><br>(What's most needed right now in this area is probably implementation<br>experience.)<br></blockquote>
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</div><br>I think there's a set of issues to look at with video and video players on the web. For the most part, these can be looked at and decided upon separately.<br><br>#1: A natively supported video format. (Like the way GIF's, JPEG's, and PNG's are natively supported.)
<br><br>#2: Video players. (This would be embedding some kind of video screen in a webpage... possibly with a play/pause button, stop button, etc.)<br><br>#3: Playlists. (A single video file just won't cut it.)<br><br>
#4:(Static or animated) thumbnails to videos.<br><br>#5: When to pre-fetch and when NOT to pre-fetch videos (and "download" it at the last possible minute).<br><br>
#6: JavaScript API for "playing", etc video.<br><br>#7: Scrubbing though video<br><br>#8: Alternate versions.<br><br>(There's some other things that I'd describe ads more advanced... but I'll save those for now and see how people react to these first.)
<br><br>To make it easier to manage the conversation, I'll post about each of these in a separate e-mail.<br></blockquote></div><br>#1 on my list is... a natively supported video format common to all browsers.<br><br>Thus... like the way all (GUI) browsers support GIFs, JPEGs, and PNGs. There should be at least one video format supported on all browsers.
<br><br>I made this #1 because I think this is the most important thing on this list. If I could only have one of these things on my list get implemented it would be this one.<br><br>One of the biggest problems with video on the web (and probably video on the Internet in general) right now is that there is no universally supported video format.
<br><br>(Note, this doesn't mean there can't be other video formats too. This only suggests that there should be a baseline video format supported everywhere.)<br><br>On the Videoblogging Mailing List <<a href="http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/">
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/</a>>, the question about what video format to support comes up over and over again.<br><br>And the answer that has to be given to them is that there isn't a single video format... but essentially they have to encode to many many different video formats, or else there will be people who can NOT view their show.
<br><br>Often, people will only encode in one format. Not really by choice. Not because they want to make it so certain people can't watch their show. But because they lack the skills or tools to encode in the other formats.
<br><br>Most of these publishers want everyone to be able to see their show though. (A natively supported video format common to all browsers would solve this problem.)<br><br><br>Having said all that, I believe that whatever video format is choosen can NOT be encumbered. By patents or anything else.
<br><br>Such a thing is totally unacceptable.<br><br><br>Given this, I would suggest Ogg Theora be the natively supported video format common to all browsers. It's designed from the beginning to be unencumbed. And implementations for it already exist under licenses that should make everyone happy.
<br><br>There's also existing tool sets that support it. And existing developer experience and knowledge about it.<br><br><br>If you don't mind hearing me get onto a soapbox and rant about this particular topic, read this:
<a href="http://maketelevision.com/log/why_ogg_theora_matters_for_internet_tv">http://maketelevision.com/log/why_ogg_theora_matters_for_internet_tv</a><br><br>(Note... Dirac, Matroska, and NUT also exist. But neither of these are as mature as Ogg Theora.)
<br><br><br>See ya<br><br>-- <br> Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc.<br><br> charles @ <a href="http://reptile.ca">reptile.ca</a><br> supercanadian @ <a href="http://gmail.com">gmail.com</a><br><br> developer weblog:
<a href="http://ChangeLog.ca/">http://ChangeLog.ca/</a><br><br>