<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; "><BR><DIV><DIV>On Oct 31, 2006, at 9:30 AM, James Graham wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">I think and distinction between footnotes, sidenotes and endnotes is basically presentational and whilst we should try to ensure that markup+CSS can create all three appearances we shouldn't treat them distinctly.</FONT></P> </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><DIV>Footnotes and endnotes are identical in content in the context of a print document and I am not certain how they'd differ even presentationally on a web page, so yes, I think those can be considered identical in terms of markup. </DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>"Sidenotes," though, is ambiguous. If the term refers to footnotes that happen to be placed beside the text, then yes, they're identical semantically to footnotes. But "sidenotes" may also refer to "pull quotes" or "callouts" -- some small piece of text to be highlighted rather than additional explanatory information of the sort that would appear in a sidebar or footnote. Or, if "sidenote" refers to what is usually called a "sidebar," then we're talking about something that is both more extensive than the typical footnote and of greater importance relative to the main text -- its position on the side of the page is rather than at the bottom is not merely presentational but is indicative of the weight of the content. Moreover, a callout or sidebar is not a numbered or marked reference and need not be referred from a precise location within the text -- whereas a footnote or endnote relates to a specific word, sentence, or paragraph, a sidebar/callout/pullquote relates more vaguely to a more general section of text, or in the case of some sidebars, to the full article.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>So while markup for footnotes/endnotes could be standardized fairly easily (in as much as writing standards is ever easy), I don't even know where I would begin to define sidenotes semantically. As I've used them in print and on the web, they'd need to relate to (1) a header, and therefore to the section of text underneath it; or (2) a paragraph, list, or other defined block of text. But a sidebar might need to contain block-level formatting (and even multiple paragraphs and potentially headers), which means it couldn't be placed inside one of those elements. </DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>I don't know how many people would actually use magazine-style sidebars and callouts on the web -- I would, and probably a lot of newspaper and magazine publishers would, if there were a convenient way to do it. (I already do use pullquotes, but with some complicated markup to make them, I hope, accessible and semantically meaningful.) On the other hand lots of web authors do and would use footnotes/endnotes. So I am not sure how much effort it would be worth putting into markup for sidebars/callouts. </DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>____</DIV><DIV>David Walbert</DIV><DIV>LEARN NC</DIV><DIV><A href="mailto:dwalbert@learnnc.org">dwalbert@learnnc.org</A></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV> </DIV></BODY></HTML>