<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; "><DIV><DIV>On 27 Jun 2007, at 11:55, Robert O'Callahan wrote:</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">In my experience...</BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></DIV><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV><DIV>You do not know what you are talking about. Firefox does not use OS image decoders. <BR></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>And I don't use Firefox, so my point is still valid. Please don't inform me of what you think I know or do not know, it is impolite.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>For your future reference, Robert, the browsers I am familiar with and was referring to in my statement about image decoders are WebKit-based browsers, OmniWeb 4.5 (historically), Camino and iCab 3. I avoid FireFox and Opera due to their non-native interfaces and form controls.</DIV><DIV>Given your statement I may be incorrect about Camino though.</DIV><BR><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV><DIV>We use official Ogg Theora libraries. <BR></DIV><DIV>No-one's suggesting reimplementing codecs. We're talking about integrating existing codecs into the browser, and shipping them with the browser.<BR></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></DIV><DIV>This is only possible if the codec is free. I thought we were talking about the problem of adding non-free codecs (namely WMV and MPEG4) to free software, (possibly also involving reverse-engineering the codec).</DIV><BR><DIV> <SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Gentium; font-size: 15px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Gentium; font-size: 15px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Gentium; font-size: 15px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Gentium; font-size: 15px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Gentium; font-size: 15px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><DIV>- Nicholas.</DIV></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></DIV></BODY></HTML>