<div dir="ltr">Dear all,
<div><br></div><div>In the current HTML5 draft, section <span style="font-size:12px;white-space:pre"><span style="font-size:13px;white-space:normal">4.4.6 <span style="font-style:italic"><a href="http://www.w3.org/html/wg/html5/#the-blockquote" target="_blank">The blockquote element</a> </span><span style="font-size:12px;white-space:pre"> states, "If a <blockquote> element is preceded or followed by a single paragraph that contains a single <cite> element and that is itself not preceded or followed by another blockquote element and does not itself have a <q> element descendant, then, the title of the work given by that <cite> element gives the source of the quotation contained in the <blockquote> element."</span></span></span></div>
<div><span style="font-size:12px;white-space:pre"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12px;white-space:pre">Now, I think that being able to use a <cite> element to give the source of a <blockquote> element's contents is a useful step forward for HTML, and I approve of its being introduced in HTML5.</span></div>
<div><span style="font-size:12px;white-space:pre"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12px;white-space:pre">However, I'm not sure that the criteria for determining the <cite> element are the best ones, as it looks to me as though they will rule out a common literary usage of block quotes: using a number of block quotes from different authors to preface a work or part of a work. Such usage is evident, for instance, in <a href="http://darwin-online.org.uk/content/frameset?itemID=F381&viewtype=image&pageseq=9">this book</a>.</span></div>
<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px; white-space: pre;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px; white-space: pre;">If I understand section 4.4.6 correctly, then having:</span></div>
<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px; white-space: pre;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px; white-space: pre;"><blockquote>First quote.</blockquote></span></div>
<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px; white-space: pre;"><p>First quote's author: <cite>First quote's reference</cite>.</p></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px; white-space: pre;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px; white-space: normal; "><div>
<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px; white-space: pre; "><blockquote>Second quote.</blockquote></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px; white-space: pre; "><p>Second quote's author: <cite>Second quote's reference</cite>.</p></span></div>
<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px; white-space: pre;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px; white-space: normal; "><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px; white-space: pre; "><blockquote>Third quote.</blockquote></span></div>
<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px; white-space: pre; "><p>Third quote's author: <cite>Third quote's reference</cite>.</p></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px; white-space: pre;"><br>
</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px; white-space: pre;">in an HTML5 file will mean that only the third of these <cite> elements will be used as the reference for its preceding <blockquote>, because it is the only one of the three in a single paragraph "that is itself not preceded or followed by another blockquote element and does not itself have a <q> element descendant". This strikes me as problematic. How, in a case like this, should one mark up the block quotes and their references, without introducing extraneous elements?</span></div>
<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px; white-space: pre;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px; white-space: pre;">NB. If I'm not the first to ask this question, I'd be grateful for a link to where it has been discussed previously.<br>
</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px; white-space: pre;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px; white-space: pre;">As a preliminary suggestion, perhaps it would be better if the spec said, "If a <blockquote> element is <span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-style: italic;">followed</span> by a single paragraph that contains a single <cite> element and that is itself not preceded or followed by another blockquote element and does not itself have a <q> element descendant, then, the title of the work given by that <cite> element gives the source of the quotation contained in the <blockquote> element." It is, after all, normal in English and a number of other widely-used languages (though I cannot vouch for all languages - perhaps others will have some useful insights here) for the citation to be given following a block quote, where one is given.</span></div>
<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px; white-space: pre;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px; white-space: pre;">Many thanks,</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px; white-space: pre;"><br>
</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px; white-space: pre;">Sam</span></div></span></span></div></span></span></div></div>