<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: '-webkit-monospace'; font-size: 10px; "><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; ">On Oct 3, 2008, at 4:35 PM, Tab Atkins Jr. wrote:</span></div></span></div></span></div><div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div>Man, I could *really* see the "hint" function being viable and quite useful. It offers up a completely new-and-useful semantic, and there's no particular place it should already go. I'd accept this as a new attribute without reservation if it was renamed @hint, so it's absolutely clear what the semantic for it is.<br></div></div></div></blockquote></div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: -webkit-monospace; font-size: 10px; "><div><br></div>The only reason to use placeholder instead of hint is that Apple already implemented placeholder. Documentation should explain that placeholder is to be used for hints, not for labels (and people can then ignore the documentation and use it for labels anyway, but at least we tried).<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; "><div><br></div></span><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; "><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: -webkit-monospace; font-size: 10px; "><div>-- </div><div>Andy Lyttle</div><div><a href="mailto:whatwg@phroggy.com">whatwg@phroggy.com</a></div><div><br></div></span></div></span></div></span></body></html>