<div><div>I like the idea of section type="", but that'll make me feel like I need to define every section that I write out. Maybe that's just me. </div><div><br></div><div>I understand the ambiguity (and the confusion) of <article>, and <section>. I (respectfully) disagree that there's not a wide enough distance between section and an article. </div>
<div><br></div><div>Here's how I see it: Sections are blocks of content that may or may not contain an <article>. I think sectioning out and marking up a single article (beyond headers) might really be *too much*. If people want to markup a section for style, then they can use a div, just like we use <span> to markup text that doesn't necessarily require it's own tag. <div> is the <span> for sections, am I wrong?</div>
<div><br></div><div>I've said it before, but you can make this stuff as detailed as you want it, but really it's how it's actually going to be used and interpreted that's important.</div><div><br></div><div>
---</div><div><br></div><div>As far as Asides, I learned some of the basic foundations of HTML5 (coming from someone who just dived into this in the last few months) from this, from A List Apart: <a href="http://www.alistapart.com/articles/previewofhtml5/" target="_blank">http://www.alistapart.com/articles/previewofhtml5/</a> that plainly states that an <aside> is now used as sidebar. HTML5Doctor says this is incorrect: <a href="http://html5doctor.com/understanding-aside/" target="_blank">http://html5doctor.com/understanding-aside/</a>. I don't rely on other websites to get my information on HTML5, but as someone who can't grasp a lot of parts of the spec, <b>its much easier for people to grasp the spec when it's broken down for them by someone they can trust.</b></div>
<div><b><br></b></div><div>For the record, both of those articles show up when you search "How to use HTML5 aside".</div>
<div><br></div><div>The answer might not be to change the spec (in some cases), but to provide a resource approved by the spec that can explain these in real terms that might be easier to understand. </div><div><br></div>
<div>On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 9:15 PM, Jonas Sicking <jonas@sicking.cc> wrote:</div><div>On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 6:08 PM, Ian Hickson <<a href="mailto:ian@hixie.ch" target="_blank">ian@hixie.ch</a>> wrote:</div>
<div>> On Tue, 15 Sep 2009, Jeremy Keith wrote:</div><div>>> Henri wrote:</div><div>>> > <a href="http://adactio.com/journal/1607/" target="_blank">http://adactio.com/journal/1607/</a></div><div>>></div>
<div>>> Ah, you beat me to it. I was just about to write an email to the list,</div>
<div>>> honestly. ;-)</div><div>>></div><div>>> So anyway, the upshot of my somewhat unscientific survey[1] conducted at a</div><div>>> workshop a couple of weeks ago is that there is great confusion between the</div>
<div>>> <section> and <article> elements.</div><div>></div><div>> I've tweaked their definitions (as well as a few others) to take this data</div><div>> into account.</div><div>></div><div>
> Thanks for this research, by the way, it's very useful.</div><div>></div><div>></div><div>>> In that blog post, I point out that <section> and <article> were once more</div><div>>> divergent but have converged over time (since the @cite and @pubdate</div>
<div>>> attributes were dropped from <article>).</div><div>>></div><div>>> I've also seen a lot of confusion from authors wondering when to use <section></div><div>>> and when to use <article>. Bruce wrote an article on HTML5 doctor recently to</div>
<div>>> address this:</div><div>>> <a href="http://html5doctor.com/the-section-element/" target="_blank">http://html5doctor.com/the-section-element/</a></div><div>>></div><div>>> Probably the best tutorial I've seen on this issue is from Ted:</div>
<div>>> <a href="http://edward.oconnor.cx/2009/09/using-the-html5-sectioning-elements" target="_blank">http://edward.oconnor.cx/2009/09/using-the-html5-sectioning-elements</a></div><div>>></div><div>>> ...but even so, the confusion remains. The very fact that tutorials are</div>
<div>>> required for what should be intuitive structural elements is worrying — I</div><div>>> don't see the same issues around <nav>, <header> or <footer> (now that the</div><div>>> content model has been changed) ...although there is continuing confusion</div>
<div>>> around <aside>.</div><div>></div><div>> I'd like to rename <article>, if someone can come up with a better word</div><div>> that means "blog post, blog comment, forum post, or widget". I do think</div>
<div>> there is an important difference between a subpart of a page that is</div><div>> a potential candidate for syndication, and a subsection of a page that</div><div>> only makes sense with the rest of the page.</div>
<div><br></div><div>How about <section type=article> or <section article="">?</div><div><br></div><div>Or can we leave it to a predefined microformat (as much as I'm not a</div><div>fan of those)</div>
<div><br></div><div>/ Jonas</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>-- </div><div>Judson Collier</div><div><a href="http://judsoncollier.com/" target="_blank">http://judsoncollier.com/</a></div><div><a href="http://twitter.com/judsoncollier" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/judsoncollier</a></div>
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