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Markus,<br>
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> I think that the discussion if or not there may be a use case
where framesets are "good" is not the point.
<br>
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We agree there, and I'd go further: declaring a mechanism for hiding
intrapage links "bad" is an overreach, to put it mildly.<br>
<br>
>So, if the people who discuss and define the HTML5 standard *do not
like* framesets, <br>
>it is IMO reason enough for them to take them out of this standard.
<br>
<br>
There we disagree. A main W3C responsibility is to facilitate the web.
Removing a feature <i>which is used because use cases require it</i>
is destructive to the web by diminishing support for a required feature.<br>
<br>
PB<br>
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Markus Ernst wrote:
<blockquote cite="mid:4ACFB05F.6080908@gmx.ch" type="cite">Peter
Brawley schrieb:
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<blockquote type="cite">Eduard,
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<br>
>Everything that can be achieved with <frameset> can be done
through
<br>
><table>+<iframe>.
<br>
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If that's so, someone ought to be able to point at some examples.
<br>
<br>
</blockquote>
I think that the discussion if or not there may be a use case where
framesets are "good" is not the point.
<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">Supposing that someone can produce examples,
the argument for removing frames from HTML5 becomes: "frameset has been
in HTML till now, /but is being removed because we do not like it/. If
you insist on such use cases, re-architect them." That's a misuse of
standards.
<br>
</blockquote>
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This is rather the point. There might be a use case where dictatorship
is good - only a dictator might i.e. make laws to really protect the
environment, which would not be possible in a democracy. There might
even be a use case where chemical weapons are good - they might i.e.
serve to fight a rat plague somewhere in a third-world country. Still
we (well, I hope most of us) *do not like* dictatorship and chemical
weapons. This is reason enough to try to contribute to a world where
they are not wide-spread.
<br>
<br>
So, if the people who discuss and define the HTML5 standard *do not
like* framesets, it is IMO reason enough for them to take them out of
this standard. This will, as stated already by several posters, not
prevent you from using a frameset to do something "good" with it, and
you will be as safe as you are now, as UAs will support legacy content
for the years to come.<br>
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