<div>Some websites are very crowded. I have no particular example. Blogs and easily accessible CMS's, people trying to make a buck from excessive advertising on their site, people cramming a lot of info/screen unit. Companies too, old media: <a href="http://www.aftonbladet.se/">http://www.aftonbladet.se/</a> (major Swedish paper, watch your eyes) . <body> will hold a lot of stuff that is not main content, other content will spill over into <body> (unless there is a conscious author, and vast use of <aside>). </div>
<div>It should be easy for authors to define main content. It s a pedagogical issue, where authors not too concerned with standards compliance, should have an easy escape of at least defining the most important on the site.</div>
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If i view the html-web as it is now, inside <body> there are so much irrelevant content (where else to put it?). In order for <body> to be the main content, there has to be tags for everything else. This will be very hard for authors to implement (I am talking real world, amateur, do-it-yourself, stressed professionals). It is IMHO very beautiful code-wise, and organisationally, to state that everything in <body> is main content, but it will not benefit a structurally marked-up web.
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I am the one posting the question on the help list. To me, the lack of html5 definition of main content, ie body copy in paper publishing, is a big mistake. Imagine the amount of sites where "everything else" includes a lot of unimportant extra, or peripheral, content. Content which is not necessarily hierarchically legible by a machine. Getting authors to be disciplined about defining main content is more important than being disciplined about <nav>, <footer>, <header>, <section> etc, in order not to negate the meaning of html5 structural mark-up. <br>
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The HTML5 spec should define how to mark up the main content on a page<br>
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Please could this be added to the 'idioms' section, perhaps giving<br>
examples of when <article> or <section> might be appropriate as well as<br>
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It's my understanding that everything within the <body> tag is considered body content, and the new <header> and <footer> tags, etc, are just there to give more meaning about the type of body content.<br>
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The fact that there is so much irrelevant content inside the <body> tag is because some people consider that body content. Do you have a more specific example of this?<div class="im"><br>
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