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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Rob,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>>I don't see why providing a
scriptable API to hide the poster image is better than just having authors use
existing APIs to clear the poster attribute.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>What is the existing API to clear and show the poster?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>>They are not designed to be
independent. If you want them to be independent, use a real independent image
placed over the video.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Rob, with all due respect, you seem to have not read the earlier
parts of this conversation. I may be wrong and I don’t mean to rub anyone the
wrong way here.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>As it stands today, the poster is not usable (probably because
as you state it has not been designed to be independent). Every website that
has implemented their own Html 5 video player have had to hack their way to get
things to work the way they’d expect. I explained this part in my first post.
Basically ,what they do is assign the poster and not the source. Then when the
user clicks play, they assign the source. Then each time the user skips ahead,
they need to null out the poster attribute (otherwise in some browsers the
poster flashes during buffering periods) and then set the currentTime to skip
ahead. Now if you want to change the source of the video in mid play to a
better or lower quality version of the same video then you have to go through a
few more hoops (and the load() method is used at this time – but you don’t want
the poster to show either).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I think we have a consensus on the need to change the way the
poster behaves. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span
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color:#1F497D'>The poster should remain visible till the video is played.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span
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color:#1F497D'>Once the video has been played, the poster should not show
during buffering or skipping ahead or any other action.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The only thing that remains then is if web developers would like
control over the poster, such as to show the poster after the video has ended,
then there should be a way to do that. For this we need a method to show the
poster once again. Current there is no way to get the poster to show again and
the load() method is not the answer, nor is resetting. A simple method that
does not impact anything else will do the trick. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Shiv<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><a href="http://exposureroom.com/"><span style='color:blue'>http://exposureroom.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
whatwg-bounces@lists.whatwg.org [mailto:whatwg-bounces@lists.whatwg.org] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Robert O'Callahan<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 20, 2010 9:47 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Shiv Kumar<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Silvia Pfeiffer; whatwg@lists.whatwg.org; Chris Pearce<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [whatwg] Html 5 video element's poster attribute<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 5:03 PM, Shiv Kumar <<a
href="mailto:skumar@exposureroom.com">skumar@exposureroom.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Of course we
wouldn’t want the user to see the poster during the time it takes to switch so
we clear value of the poster before doing this, which is one of the issues
cited in my very first post on this subject.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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I don't see why providing a scriptable API to hide the poster image is better
than just having authors use existing APIs to clear the poster attribute.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>In my mind, “load()” does not imply that
the poster should also show. The video stream and poster are quite frankly
independent of each other. One is a video stream and the other is an image.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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They are not designed to be independent. If you want them to be independent,
use a real independent image placed over the video.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Rob<br clear=all>
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<p class=MsoNormal>-- <br>
"Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for
they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures
every day to see if what Paul said was true." [Acts 17:11]<o:p></o:p></p>
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