[html5] page element?

Fri Mar 19 04:19:04 PDT 2010

I've got a beef with this idea of <page> as a replacement for <div 
id="wrap"> - what if you have a structure similar to this?

<div id="wrap2">
   <div id="wrap">
      <!-- content -->
   </div>
</div>

-a2h

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From: "designer" <designer at gwelanmor-internet.co.uk>
Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 10:16 PM
To: "Chris Taylor" <Chris.Taylor at figureout.com>
Cc: <help at lists.whatwg.org>
Subject: Re: [html5] page element?

> Hi Chris & all,
>
>>Or is it an overall wrapping element around all "visible" parts of the 
>>page
>
> Yes. It does the same as <div id="wrapper">, and in the same way.
>
> So why have it at all? - well, in html5 we have <nav> now, which (nomatter
> how you dress it up and make it sound like a big step forward) is the same
> as <div id="nav"> (or it can be).  What the use of <nav> does is:
>
> 1. It makes for consistency of code.  Everyone uses <nav>, whereas
> previously, we used 'nav' , 'menu', 'links' etc. etc., somewhat
> indiscriminately.
>
> 2. It encourages the usage to be semantic and it's easier to set up 
> 'rules'
> or guidelines.
>
> <footer> vs. <div id="footer"> is a similar case.
>
> <page> vs. <div id="wrapper"> is another. [:-)]
>
> As to Mike's multiple pages, this can be very handy for documents which 
> are
> collections of related but separate content.  We can also 'paginate' and
> link by using
> <a href="#x"> and I've no doubt other things will come with usage.
>
> HTML5, as far as I can see, provides 3 distinct areas of improvement:
>
> 1. New elements which enable us to do things we couldn't do before -
> <canvas> being the  obvious example.
>
> 2. New elements which don't make it possible to do 'new' things, but make
> the doing of those things more structured, organised and semantic. 
> <figure>
> and <figcaption> are an example. We've all been doing that for years:
>
> <div class="figure">
> <img href="etc.
> <p>title</p>
> </div>
>
> cf:
>
> <figure>
> <img href="etc.
> <figcaption>title</figcaption>
> </figure>
>
> In my view of the world, <page> would be another one of those examples:
>
> <div id="wrapper">
> bla bla
> </div>
>
> cf:
>
> <page>
> bla bla
> </page>
>
> N.B.  You don't HAVE to use <page>.  If you don't have a need to use <div
> id="wrapper">, you CAN use <body>. However there are a VERY large number 
> of
> us (wish I had figures!) who prefer to wrap their visible content in a 
> box,
> and it is for these people that <page> would be good.
>
> Bob
>
>
>
> 