[html5] A <ui> Tag?

Mark T paradisaeidae at gmail.com
Thu May 13 15:01:32 PDT 2010

Hi Darcy,
The 'html5 spec' is a subset of W3C and WHATWG suggestions.
One of the forms directions of the W3C is xforms.
In the direction you are asking for.
I've been trialling some javascript 'implants' of this.
As it is not likely to be part of browsers for a while.
Being a namespace implementation. it does not link .immediately. with
libs such as jquery.
Namespace is a handy thing.

http://groups.google.com/group/ubiquity-xforms (Cannot get this
working in FFox...).
http://sourceforge.net/projects/xsltforms/ (Impressive, works 4 me in
FFox, mime-type issue in others (for me)).


On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 11:11 PM, Darcy Murphy <mrdarcymurphy at gmail.com> wrote:
> Scott, Mark,
> Thanks for the links.
> ARIA is a great project because it works with what we already have in order
> to produce better results but Accessibility, in and of itself, is not
> exactly what I'm after. The XGR stuff looks interesting as well, but
> overkill.
> My biggest issue with web app development is that there is no line between
> content and chrome. Ideally I'd love to see this:
> <ui>
>   <label>...</label>
>   <input ... />
>   ...
>   <form ...>
>     <label>...</label>
>     <input ... />
>     <input type="submit" />
>   </form>
> </ui>
> Where the <ui> element can be hooked into by user agents and assistive
> technologies to provide the same additional functionality that a <form> can
> provide, but without requiring a submission to the server, and it can
> contain multiple forms if necessary. With HTML5 being principled on
> improving our ability to create Web Apps I found it strikingly odd that in
> this age of AJAX I cannot semantically group my controls without having to
> invoke a refresh of my page every time a button is pressed. From what I
> gathered the newly added tags are all still oriented towards document
> creation.
> I personally think that a <ui> tag could be a spiritual cousin to the newly
> added <section>, <header>, <footer>, and <nav> elements. But I'm also aware
> we're in the final call for comments, so I'm not expecting anyone to jump
> through hoops for my idea. Thanks for listening and discussing the idea
> though.
> - Darcy
> On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 6:31 PM, Mark T <paradisaeidae at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Ti group has been working on this issue:
>> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/XGR/
>> MarkT
>> On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 3:27 AM, Darcy Murphy <mrdarcymurphy at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Recently I came up with the idea of using a <ui> tag in order to
>> --
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