[whatwg] commas (was Web Forms 2.0 Substantive - Section 5)
Ian Hickson
ian at hixie.ch
Tue Jul 13 00:57:10 PDT 2004
Way of topic. :-)
On Mon, 12 Jul 2004, Michael Enright wrote:
>
> Ian, since you've mentioned the pause-comma link before, I went looking
> for a reference.
>
> http://webster.commnet.edu/grammar/commas.htm
>
> I remember from school that one pauses when reading commas, but I think
> the reverse is not a rule at all.
I agree. That's why I made the change.
> Humans pause because they need to breathe, or to make the audio easier
> to scan. See rule 11 in the linked text.
See rule 8, though. And in the case we were looking at just now, rule 1.
> Note that you can take all of this as opinion if you want, I stopped
> googling when I found a page that agreed with my recollection :)
Any comment about the English language is opinion, since there is no
normative reference to the language [1].
> Some speakers raise their voices the end of sentences where they make
> assertions. That makes their assertions sound like questions.
Indeed, I lived many years in an area which does this.
> They don't exactly mean them as questions, and they would never "mark
> up" their assertions with question marks to correspond with the pitch
> change.
On the contrary, I would say that for many such speakers, they _are_
questions. The pitch is usually raised on parts of the sentence that the
speaker considers it possible for the listener to not understand, or
require further clarification about.
Given:
"He went to the party, then he saw Jane, they seemed to get on well."
raise here ^ raise here ^ don't raise here ^
The speaker is effectively saying he can provide more information about
the party and about Jane, but cannot comment further on the result.
Actually, for marking it up, I think the closest analogue would be a
hyperlink, not a question mark. Hmm. Speech hypertext?
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[1] With one exception: http://ian.hixie.ch/bible/english
Note that the "lang" attribute of the WF2 spec claims that the WF2
spec is written in this language.
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