[whatwg] Suggestion for Menus in Web Forms 2.0
ian at hixie.ch
Wed Nov 10 14:07:21 PST 2004
On Sat, 28 Aug 2004, Jim Ley wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 16:33:55 +0000 (UTC), Ian Hickson <ian at hixie.ch> wrote:
> > Hitting enter would cause the page to just load normally in the
> > browser. It would be stupid for the default to be "trust this site".
> These sort of "do you want to..." giving the user a choice of something
> they probably don't understand is very problematical. They want to
> access the site, they'll probably just say yes - just like so many
> people say yes and open "viruses" on email today.
> I think this is a very difficult thing, and I don't currently believe
> any mandated wording or description from the WHAT-WG is appropriate.
> Neither do I necessarily believe anything is appropriate, I'm not sure
> of a solution, but I certainly believe IE's HTA is a preferred solution
> (it treats the web-browser version exactly as if the user was
> downloading an executable - they still run into the how do the users
> know to trust problems, but I think it's better to simply a browser
> menu.) I don't really know though, I'm just concerned by the above
> proposal for many of the reasons given in the thread already.
Yeah, I'm not sure what a good solution is either.
> > You're assuming that we give the pages a way to tell if they are
> > running in a Web browser or "as a native application". It could
> > definitely see strong arguments for not making it possible to
> > distinguish the two.
> how exactly do you propose to do that, there's going to be all sorts of
> ways of inferring that they are (checking computed CSS properties,
> try/catching script that would only be permissiong in the native
> application etc.) If you could genuinely prevent them from knowing, I
> think you'd have to seriously hobble CSS Object Model etc.
I can't see that the stylesheets would be any different, and I don't see
why the permissions would be different either. The only real difference is
whether the browser's own chrome is around the window or not.
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