[whatwg] Web Forms 2.0 Feedback
jg307 at cam.ac.uk
Thu Jan 6 08:18:06 PST 2005
Matthew Thomas wrote:
> On 7 Jan, 2005, at 3:57 AM, James Graham wrote:
>> Matthew Thomas wrote:
>>> Again, I know that <sup> and <sub> are (almost always) used to mean
>>> something, just like <b> and <i> are. But again, just as with <b>
>>> and <i>, *a computer can't tell what you mean*.
>> Of course the same is true with, say <li>. A computer can't tell
>> whether you mean a list of shopping, or a list or a list of links, or
>> a list of people who have offeneded you in the past month, or ...
> A computer can tell that it's an item in a list, which is useful by
> itself <http://labs.google.com/sets>.
Is there anything indicated that uses <li>? It could just use
coincidence on the same page (indeed, that seems more likely). In any
case that (in it's present form) is very much on the verge of what I
would describe as "useful".
> In contrast, a computer can't tell anything at all about <sup> and <sub>.
It can tell that the word containing them isn't to be interpreted as a
single word which is essential to a useful interpretation of the document.
>> HTML by it's nature has weak semantics. That means that elements
>> should conatin some information ("this is a list not a set of
>> paragraphs", "these characters are superscripted and so not part of a
>> word") that the UA can use, as far as it is able, to provide an
>> appropriate interface to the document. It does not mean that every
>> element has to have a precidely defined meaning in the sense that you
>> criticise <sup> and <sub> for lacking.
> Where did you get the idea that I was criticizing <sup> and <sub>?
> They're useful presentational elements, just like <b> and <i>.
You certianly say they're lacking meaning.
But anyway, we've been around this before and I'm not at all sure it's
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