[whatwg] For Japanese language users, Web Forms should have a way to active/deactive for IME
hsivonen at iki.fi
Tue Jan 18 13:47:55 PST 2005
On Jan 18, 2005, at 09:41, Hallvord Reiar Michaelsen Steen wrote:
> Unlike us, Japanese users know what they are doing when using an IME
Yes, but asking questions (perhaps naïve) from the outside may
sometimes be helpful and may actually uncover something that is not
thought about because the close stakeholders are taking things for
I think it is appropriate to ask for use cases just like use cases are
called for with other proposals. It may look politically incorrect, but
I don't think "i18n issues" should be exempt of the scrutiny other
proposals are subjected to.
An example of lack of critical thinking in i18n: ISO-8859-15 was
created to address issues related to Finnish and French. I am a native
Finnish speaker, but I still think ISO-8859-15 was a bad partial
solution to the supposed problem and actually made the problem worse.
Because of i18n hypersensitivities, many Linux distros took ISO-8859-15
seriously and actually shipped with an ISO-8859-15 default for Finnish
instead of doing the right thing (UTF-8 for every locale) right away.
And yes, I have been on the other side as well. I think the lack of an
"en-dash" list-style-type in CSS forces foreign bulleted list
typography on Finns. Still, I was unable to convince the editor of the
relevant spec that such a list-style-type should be added.
To get back to this case, fantasai already pointed to a generalization
that isn't limited to the Japanese-specific point of view.
> It is actually very annoying to, say, submit double-width characters
> to a server that expects ASCII.
Point taken. However, I do consider such a server non-robust. I also
consider a server that can't deal with decomposed umlauts non-robust,
although I recognize the need to cater for such inevitable lack of
robustness by normalizing in the browser.
hsivonen at iki.fi
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