[whatwg] Menus, fallback, and backwards compatibility: ideas wanted
lachlan.hunt at lachy.id.au
Mon Nov 28 18:12:54 PST 2005
Ian Hickson wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Nov 2005, Lachlan Hunt wrote:
>> How about this, or some variation of:
>> <form ...>
>> <li><button type="submit" for="foo" name="menu">Foo</button>
>> <select id="foo" name="foo">
> Interesting idea. I like the non-JS fallback potential. Pity about the
> <menubar> being necessary to get the <select> to disappear, but I guess
> we need that...
I originally just used <menu>, which is why the <li>s are there, but I'm
not sure if its really is necessary. Couldn't the for attribute used to
associate the button with the the select, be used to determine how to
render the controls without the menu/menubar/etc. wrapper?
> It's unfortunate about the button being first, too.
From an implementation perspective, is there any reason why it couldn't
work with the order of the button and select elements swapped? At the
moment, I thinking it should work if the button and select are just
immediate siblings of each other in any order, though I'm not sure if it
should work if there were other content in between.
> I guess we could change that if we say that in the new world in an <li> any
> <select>s are ignored and just the <button> is looked for... Hmm.
I'm not sure I understand. Wouldn't that break many existing documents
which do have select and buttons inside li elements? What if it were
done like this:
In these cases, the button is acting as the label for the select menu
which makes sense semantically and it probably wouldn't require any
extraneous <menu[bar]> markup. There is, however, still the extra |for|
attribute, but I think it (or something similar) is necessary so that we
don't inadvertently break any existing documents that do have buttons
and selects together in a label element.
Alternatively, we could ditch the |for| attribute and substitute another
element for label or, if possible, do as I suggested above and just use
the |for| attribute to associate them regardless of their
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