[whatwg] markup as authored in practice
James Graham
jg307 at cam.ac.uk
Sat Dec 2 09:12:05 PST 2006
Elliotte Harold wrote:
> I don't believe most web documents are hand authored any more. Consider
> that essentially every page generated by Blogger, Moveable Type or
> WordPress is not hand authored. Almost every page at sites like
> Amazon.com or walmart.com is not hand authored. Hand authoring is a
> distinct minority on the web today.
OK, so how many of those sites produce well formed code? If the tools
will save us all, why hasn't it happened yet? As I said, tool authors
prioritize their budget for things other than well-formnedness of the
output - things that will actually benefit the tool users and site
customers. Moreover, XML is an entirely unacceptable risk for any
business - it's too easy to accidentally transmit malformed data and
knock the site out. Why do that when you have the option of using a UA
mode that supports error recovery?
>> Out in the real world, not everyone gives a shit about markup
>> standards, but that doesn't certainly doesn't mean that their content
>> isn't worth viewing. For example, the majority of people who are
>> likely to want to publish mathematics on the web are professional
>> scientists or engineers. However, in my experience, the fraction of
>> such people who are competent to reliably produce valid XML is
>> tiny[1]. By insisting on XML you are effectively preventing these
>> people from publishing in their field of expertise. The same is
>> presumably true of artists and SVG - even if they have tools to
>> produce all of the graphics, how many will be able to keep the
>> surrounding XHTML document well formed, much less valid?
>
> I work with these folks on a regular basis. Those that aren't competent
> to do this all use DreamWeaver anyway; that is when they aren't
> designing sites that are just one big Flash app.
I'm totally lost about your point. You seem to have changed from saying
"producing valid XML is easy - any non-bozo can do it" to "well it's not
easy but the tools will save us all".
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