[whatwg] Subject: Re: many messages regarding image captions
David Walbert
dwalbert at learnnc.org
Tue Nov 28 06:34:31 PST 2006
On Nov 27, 2006, at 10:39 PM, Michel Fortin wrote:
To me, a figure contains illustrative content attached to a document.
It may be an image, a code sample, or a snippet of another document
used as an example. I think it's important we do not try to narrow
too much what can and what cannot be contained in a figure; that's
the job of the author do decide.
On Nov 28, 2006, at 1:13 AM, fantasai wrote:
Some examples of this kind of usage, albeit without the captions:
http://www.mozilla.org/contribute/writing/markup#notes
In principle, I see your point, but I don't see that such broadly
defined figures would have widespread practical value. A "figure" in
print publishing traditionally referred to anything that couldn't be
normally typeset, but in practice that usually referred to images,
charts/graphs ( which in HTML would be inserted as images also), and
tables (which in HTML have their own structure and markup). A
"figure" in HTML seems to me to serve the same purpose: to denote and
describe illustrative content that cannot itself be marked up with HTML.
The example from mozilla.org doesn't require any special container
element, because it needs no caption. The set-aside text is an
example of what's being discussed in the surrounding text, and the
heading "example" serves perfectly well to explain that. Once we say
that plain text can be a "figure," I'm not sure what meaning "figure"
really has any longer; it could be almost anything. And if it could
be almost any piece of text that the author feels is an aside, it
will have no semantic consistency, and will then be functionally no
different from <div>.
Additionally, one of the main reasons to include an element for image
captioning is machine-based indexing, and if the figure is plain text
in the page, that isn't a problem.
I think that this broad notion of a "figure" is quite clever but
frankly too clever for the typical person using HTML. It requires a
level of editorial decision-making that I fear will confuse more
authors than it helps, and confused authors make a confusing web.
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David Walbert
LEARN NC, UNC-Chapel Hill
dwalbert at learnnc.org
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