[whatwg] Tim BL's HTML WG announcement and WHAT WG
chaals at opera.com
Sun Oct 29 09:16:44 PST 2006
On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 19:57:18 +0900, Lachlan Hunt
<lachlan.hunt at lachy.id.au> wrote:
> Henri Sivonen wrote:
> ... However, a frightening thought just struck me.
> Could it mean that the W3C isn't going to use WF2 directly, but rather
> push ahead with Dave Ragget's Forms Lite proposal ? There seems to
> be significant discussion about it going on at www-forms . The
> proposal seems to throw out much of the WF2 work (including some
> explicitly because of Opera's existing implementation), in favour a very
> much corrupted version that is somehow attempting to integrate with
The idea is that the browser developers participate, and that the entire
group specify "what makes sense...". I think everyone involved is very
clear that WF2 is an important basis (although W3C would be unlikely to
simply adopt it as-is, and I would be opposed to them saying in advance
that they will accept whatever comes out of WHATWG).
There was at least one major issue in WF2 that came out from actually
*implementing*. *Possibly* there are others lurking in corners. Opera has
an interest in the work that has gone into WF2, already proposed WF2 to
the Web Application Formats group as a work item and wants to see an
evolutionary approach to forms that doesn't bloat footprint and meets real
needs without needlessly breaking other use cases and requirements.
So what comes out will probably be a (perhaps evolved) version of WHATWG
stuff, as has been the case in some other W3C groups already. Of course,
it is hard to predict *exactly* what will happen when implementors
actually sit down and start to work seriously.
>> Or will the WHAT WG activities continue with an endorsement from the
I would be very surprised. As Tim notes, the WHATWG doesn't have what he
calls "accountability measures" (by which I think he means a process with
more of the checks and balances that are found in W3C's), which would make
it hard for W3C to endorse anything WHATWG have yet to do. But there is
plenty of work that I expect to be copied into W3C work. This has already
happened in lots of cases. I also expect work to be done in a way that
keeps it reasonably open to participation in the way that WHATWG is -
something that happens with varying frequency in W3C groups.
Charles McCathieNevile, Opera Software: Standards Group
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