HTML5 should probably make the Java applet embedding patterns documented by Sun conforming or at least make the <applet> case conforming as it is the cross-browser syntax: http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/docs/guide/plugin/developer_guide/ using_tags.html /me rolls eyes at the <comment> tag. -- Henri Sivonen hsivonen at iki.fi http://hsivonen.iki.fi/