[whatwg] Web Applications 1.0 and Menu Labels
ian at hixie.ch
Mon Aug 6 14:10:36 PDT 2007
On Mon, 22 Nov 2004, Matthew Thomas wrote:
> > It's my understanding that disabling a menu is considered poor form,
> > and that it is better to disable all the children. (mpt?) ...
> The terms "disable" and "disabled" are ambiguous for a menu/submenu
> title, because making it "disabled" as in dimmed (grayed out) does not
> make it "disabled" as in unopenable. So when all the items in a
> menu/submenu are unavailable, it's best to make the menu itself
> apparently unavailable too. Then people won't waste time by opening the
> menu just in case there is an available item inside, but they can still
> open the menu to explore the scope of the program if they want to.
> * Windows: "If all items in a menu are disabled, disable its menu
> title. If you disable a menu item or its title, the user can still
> browse to it or choose it."
> * Mac OS X: "If all of the items in a menu or submenu are unavailable,
> the menu or submenu title is dimmed. The user can still open the
> menu, but all of its items are dimmed to indicate that these items
> are not available in the present context."
> Given that, I approve of giving menus and submenus a "disabled"
> attribute that would make all their descendant items unavailable without
> forgetting the erstwhile availability of individual descendant items.
> This attribute would relieve applications from having to remember the
> particular subset of descendant items that were previously available,
> during those occasions when they are all temporarily being made
> unavailable (for example, a "Format" menu while focus is temporarily in
> a plain-text field secondary to the main rich-text area).
The idea of the current mechanism, though, is that you can have those same
menu items also be a toolbar elsewhere (say), so you'd want to disable the
buttons anyway. Wouldn't it be better to have the menus automatically
disable submenu titles when appropriate?
(Note that the Mac OS X guidelines seem to no longer have the quote you
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