[whatwg] Proposal for New Tag for UI Elements
Ian Hickson
ian at hixie.ch
Mon Dec 10 20:36:34 PST 2007
On Mon, 23 Jan 2006, Samuel Sidler wrote:
>
> From reading the current HTML5 spec, it seems like there is a need for a
> new tag designed specifically for indicating selection of UI elements.
> For purposes of this email, I'm going to call it <x> (for lack of a
> decent name at the moment).
>
> Currently, the spec recommends using <kbd><samp> for UI elements [1].
> This seems inappropriate given what the tags are described as for and
> generally messy as far as structure goes. The new tag would allow UI
> elements to be surrounded by <x> instead. Based on the sample in the
> spec [1] the code would go from this:
>
> <p>To make George eat an apple, select
> <kbd><kbd><samp>File</samp></kbd>|<kbd><samp>Eat Apple...</samp></kbd></kbd>
> </p>
>
> To this:
>
> <p>To make George eat an apple, select
> <kbd><x>File</x>|<x>Eat Apple...</x></kbd>
> </p>
>
> While it still feels like an abuse of the <kbd> tag to nest other tags
> in it, I can see the need. I would, however, suggest removing those
> <kbd> tags and allowing <x> to work on its own.
While I agree with you in principle, I don't think we have enough need for
this element that we can afford to add a new element. In fact, people have
strongly argued for the removal of <kbd>, <samp>, <var>, and others
already, adding yet another really seems like a bad idea.
The <kbd><samp> semantic is relatively cheap and harmless to define in the
spec; adding a whole new element is much harder to justify.
> As an aside, I generally disagree with the nesting of the <kbd> tag as
> described in the spec. This seems messy and structurally inappropriate.
> (Isn't this what the <span> tag is for?) The sample given of...
>
> <p>To make George eat an apple, press
> <kbd><kbd>Shift</kbd>+<kbd>F3</kbd></kbd></p>
>
> ... is simply ugly and seems malformed. While I understand the need for
> separating each key command, I disagree that it should be nested inside
> the <kbd> tag. Again, maybe <span> is more appropriate here. I'm not
> completely sure. However, I'm definitely unconvinced that nesting <kbd>
> tags inside <kbd> tags is appropriate behavior.
Well <span> has no meaning. Why would <kbd> not be used for this? It means
"user input", and here we are marking up user input. No?
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