[whatwg] HTML 5, OGG, competition, civil rights, and persons with disabilities
singer at apple.com
Tue Dec 11 16:14:39 PST 2007
At 19:07 -0500 11/12/07, Manuel Amador (Rudd-O) wrote:
>Well, consensus is going to be hard to find, with the conflicts of interest at
Yes, I agree that consensus will be hard. I have
spent quite some effort so far and I see quite a
bit more to come. I don't think there is much
conflict of interest at play here (in the classic
sense), just conflict of perception and preferred
> And all that we want is that Ogg Vorbis and Ogg Theora, being the
>ideal balance between least-encumbered and technically sufficient options, be
>mentioned in the document that will be read by millions -- even if it wasn't
>a SHOULD but a MAY or an ITWOULDBENICE. They more than deserve it.
That is still a possibility.
>So, here's a challenge. Does Apple really *only* want to be able to claim
No, we went with the consensus opinion at the
HTML meeting that MUST would be better, if it can
>Reinstate the paragraph and put MAY instead of SHOULD,
>then go crazy authoring H.264 content for the VIDEO tag. That resolution
>lets you have SHOULD conformance. If you refuse, we know that it's a market
>and monopoly thing. If you accept, we know you were being straightforward
Most of us are less than satisfied with SHOULD,
and MAY is in the opposite direction to that
>El Mar 11 Dic 2007, Dave Singer escribió:
>> At 13:45 -0500 11/12/07, Fernando wrote:
>> >Please reconsider the decision to exclude the recommendation of the
>> Theora/OGG Vorbis codec in HTML 5 guidelines.
>> This entire discussion is founded on a major misapprehension: that
>> there has been a decision, and that decision was to exclude. This is
>> simply not true; there is no decision either to include or exclude.
>> There is a recognition that work is needed.
>> I and others have spent a great deal of time on this problem already,
>> working with a number of people, including the W3C staff. Many of us
>> -- maybe all of us -- agree we need to find a solution that enables
>> broad interoperability and is in accord with w3c and web practices.
>> We have not yet reached consensus on having found it. That's all.
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