[whatwg] HTML 5, OGG, competition, civil rights, and persons with disabilities
Manuel Amador (Rudd-O)
rudd-o at rudd-o.com
Tue Dec 11 16:34:34 PST 2007
Agreed. Let's just return the text, put a MUST in place of the SHOULD, and
continue the discussion. If you find your solution within one year, great,
s/Ogg/Yoursolution/g. If not, bite the bullet and go ahead.
El Mar 11 Dic 2007, Jeff McAdams escribió:
> Dave Singer wrote:
> > At 19:04 -0500 11/12/07, Jeff McAdams wrote:
> >> Dave Singer wrote:
> >>> At 13:45 -0500 11/12/07, Fernando wrote:
> >>>> Please reconsider the decision to exclude the recommendation of the
> >>> Theora/OGG Vorbis codec in HTML 5 guidelines.
> >>> This entire discussion is founded on a major misapprehension: that
> >>> there has been a decision, and that decision was to exclude. This is
> >>> simply not true; there is no decision either to include or exclude.
> >>> There is a recognition that work is needed.
> >>> I and others have spent a great deal of time on this problem already,
> >>> working with a number of people, including the W3C staff. Many of
> >>> us --
> >>> maybe all of us -- agree we need to find a solution that enables broad
> >>> interoperability and is in accord with w3c and web practices. We have
> >>> not yet reached consensus on having found it. That's all.
> >> A decision was made to move away from using the ogg family of
> >> technologies.
> > No.
> > A decision was made to have the text reflect the facts that (a) no-one
> > is happy with a 'should' and (b) that work is ongoing to find a solution
> > (which might be Ogg, or something else). That's all.
> The text was changed from a SHOULD implement Ogg et all to a completely
> non-descriptive text.
> If things are up in the air, then why change it? Just leave the text
> and have the discussion. If a better solution is arrived at, *then*
> change the text of the spec. What need is there to change the current
> draft of the spec away from ogg et all? That indicates a move away from
> ogg et al by this body, and you're surprised why people get up in arms?
> Sorry, again, doesn't pass the smell test.
> >> While not a final decision, it is a threatening decision
> >> to those of us that value freedom and openness and don't appreciate
> >> being screwed by big companies.
> >> Listen to what the people are saying.
> > Oh, I am listening. It's by no means clear that the Ogg crowd is at
> > all. I'm also spending efforts working on finding a solution. I don't
> > count lamenting "I want my ogg" on this list as spending efforts at all.
> Maybe you should listen to the meta-argument, then.
> I'm sick and tired of getting screwed by big companies (including
> Apple), and I will *not* quietly accept it.
> If the text is changed to move away from a free and open solution to
> something that is going to be encumbered, you better believe I'm going
> to be up in arms about it, and I will not apologize for it. This change
> is exactly that sort of change.
> I would much rather Apple not implement HTML5 at all, so I can call
> Apple out on it in the marketplace, than to let an encumbered technology
> be ensconced in a standard like HTML5. And, in the past, these exact
> sorts of maneuvering is exactly the sort of behavior that has led to big
> companies getting end-user-screwing technologies ensconced into specs
> and standards.
Manuel Amador (Rudd-O) <rudd-o at rudd-o.com>
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