[whatwg] several messages regarding Ogg in HTML5
ian at hixie.ch
Wed Dec 12 00:47:17 PST 2007
On Wed, 12 Dec 2007, alex wrote:
> > We have to take into accounts the needs of everyone. This includes
> > large companies. If large companies will only accept codecs that
> > they've already implemented, then that may have to be one of the
> > criteria.
> This conflicts with:
> > Whatever solution we find will be one that is royalty free and open.
> > That is not in any doubt.
> You can't have it both ways.
We could, if one of the codecs that was implemented by large companies
(e.g. H.264 Baseline) was made available royalty-free.
It could also be the case that the aforementioned large companies will
accept a compromise that doesn't involve a codec they already implement.
Currently there is no known solution. That's why we're in this mess. But,
as they say, top people are working on this.
> > If the text moves to requiring a non-free codec, then you will have
> > been screwed, and then you should raise almightly hell. However, no
> > such decision has been made (and no such decision will ever be made,
> > at least not while I'm involved).
> Pfew, can we get a signed copy of that? :P
It's already in the spec:
# [...] we need a codec that is known to not require per-unit or
# per-distributor licensing, that is compatible with the open source
# development model [...]
> The way i see it there are 3 possibilities so far:
> - use ogg, possible (but negligable) risk of submarine patents
This is basically as acceptable to companies like Apple as H.264 is to the
free software community.
> - use extremely old technology
Unfortunately this is unlikely to give us the quality we desire, but it is
possible that we will have to compromise on this option.
> - use another free codec which has a 100% guarantee that there are no
> patentholders lurking
> this does not exist (afaik)
> At the end of the day, I think little choice remains except ogg.
Ogg isn't a choice, unfortunately. I agree that little choice remains,
though. But this is an open issue, and experts in the field are actively
trying to resolve it to everyone's satisfaction.
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