[whatwg] <blockquote cite> and <q cite>

[Karl Dubost]

Le 4 janv. 2007 à 01:41, Henri Sivonen a écrit :
> On Jan 3, 2007, at 18:22, Karl Dubost wrote:
>
>> As a side note, the fact that human authors are the main users of  
>> the data doesn't mean that the rest of tools is useless.
>
> If HTML had unambiguous sourcing of quotations, what cool software  
> would you write that would consume the markup?

Given into account that the notion of "cool" is very subjective and  
tied to one's interests.

* http://web.archive.org/web/20030211001151/http://diveintomark.org/ 
archives/quotations/
http://web.archive.org/web/20030207035922/diveintomark.org/archives/ 
citations/
http://diveintomark.org/archives/2003/01/28/autocontent
* technorati, bloglines like
http://www.bookorati.com/
* threading for commenting system on Weblogs
a database of well known quotations, authors.
a databse of poetry
frequency analysis of quotes for texts.

I can also imagine a tool which displays possibility to have more  
information on the quotes contained in the page by displaying a  
widget with more exploration: spontaneous buy of the source which has  
been cited (without to necessary use amazon), or get more information  
about an author, redirecting to wikipedia
ala PageMapper http://labs.metacarta.com/PageMapper/
or OpenLayers http://openlayers.org/


> How would you convince authors to produce the markup?

For those who have an immediate benefits for their own markup do the  
effort. It is a bit like math. Most people use substraction and  
addition, a bit less multiplication, a bit less division, though on  
simple calculator, there are the 4 operations.

For weblogs authoring tools, definitely in some circumstances, the  
forms or templating of any kind.

http://www.w3.org/2000/08/eb58

See for example, a simple way with a bookmarklet to cite a Web document.
javascript:void(window.open('%20').document.write('%3Ctextarea% 
20rows=20%20cols=80%3E%3Cblockquote%20cite=%22'+location.href+'%22%3E 
\n\n%3Cp%3E'+document.getSelection()+'%3C/p%3E\n\n%3C/blockquote%3E\n 
\n%3Cp%3E%3Ccite%3E%3Ca%20href=%22'+location.href+'%22% 
3E'+document.title+'%3C/a%3E%3Cbr%20/%3E'+new%20Date 
(document.lastModified).toUTCString()+'%3C/cite%3E%3C/p%3E%3C/textarea 
%3E'))

In NetNewsWire, it already exists, you can Copy a quote, the  
generated markup is not "perfect"  but it shows exactly one of the  
possibility for authoring it.
http://jumpserve.com/blanco/archives/2002/08/30/cool-netnewswire- 
blogging-feature/
http://face.centosprime.com/macosxw/?p=98

In fact the feature of "copy HTML with attribution" could be in any  
kind of Web browsers by default.




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W3C Conformance Manager, QA Activity Lead
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