[whatwg] Full screen for the <video> element
Jonas Sicking
jonas at sicking.cc
Thu Oct 25 20:16:17 PDT 2007
Dave Singer wrote:
> At 19:50 -0700 25/10/07, Jonas Sicking wrote:
>> Dave Singer wrote:
>>> At 0:48 +0000 26/10/07, Ian Hickson wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 13 Oct 2007, Mihai Sucan wrote:
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > Shouldn't the video API include a way to toggle full screen
>>>>> on/off?
>>>>> > > This is a rather basic feature of videos. If it will not be
>>>>> > > available, video sites will hack around missing full screen
>>>>> support.
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > The current spec doesn't define it.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Currently, the spec recommends that user agents provide a way to
>>>>> > switch the view of the video to full-screen. We can't provide a
>>>>> > programatic way of doing it because it is too easily abused.
>>>>> (Can you
>>>>> > imagine if every time you went to a new site, a full-window or
>>>>> > full-screen advert played?)
>>>>>
>>>>> Yep, that's a problem. I was also thinking along the lines of
>>>>> allowing
>>>>> fullscreen() within non-synthetic event handlers, in a similar
>>>>> fashon to
>>>>> popups (just like Kornel suggested).
>>>>
>>>> Given how often popups are abused today even with those requirements, I
>>>> hesitate to do this. (Can you imagine if every time you clicked a
>>>> link to
>>>> go to a new site, a full-window or full-screen advert played?)
>>>>
>>>>> If that's not a desirable solution, then other solutions, which don't
>>>>> require confirmation, are not easy to find.
>>>>
>>>> Indeed (and explicit confirmation is pretty bad UI).
>>>
>>> But you don't need to tell the browser that explicit confirmation is
>>> required; you merely need to say that, if the browser supports
>>> fullscreen requests (and it may ignore them), it must be clear to the
>>> user that the screen is 'filled' with the video and not his normal
>>> desktop. Yes, a dialog before is one way, but so is, for example, a
>>> blinking red 10-pixel border around the screen that says "security
>>> warning! do not treat as desktop!" continuously. There are (I hope)
>>> better designs. :-) i.e. state the requirement, not the solution.
>>
>> I just can't think of a solution that doesn't fall into at least one
>> of these categories:
>>
>> 1) Some sort of user-confirmation that most users will not understand
>> (such as the dialog)
>> 2) Uses annoying ugly UI that will make no sites want to use it
>> (such as a blinking red border)
>> 3) Is unsafe
>> 4) Will be annoying since advertisers are going to abuse it.
>
> You may be right. But a lack of imagination on my part may not be a
> good reason to leave out the feature, unless we are fairly sure that the
> feature cannot be implemented with the requirement for phishing
> protection in an acceptable way, ever, at all.
I'd say it's the other way around. We shouldn't include features that we
can't think of a way to implement them.
/ Jonas
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