[whatwg] Comments and questions on Web Apps 1.0
bhawkeslewis at googlemail.com
Sun Nov 30 11:50:59 PST 2008
Henri Sivonen wrote:
>>> Since blockquote is so abused that it is useless for AI, allowing
>>> attribution within the blockquote would be practical.
>> Attribution isn't part of a quote. How would you distinguish quoting an
>> attribution from quoting text with an attribution from quoting text that
>> happens to have its attribution?
> Quotation marks:
> <BLOCKQUOTE><p>“There’s just no nice way to say this: Anyone
> who can’t make a syndication feed that’s well-formed XML
> is an incompetent fool.——Maybe this is unkind and elitist
> of me, but I think that anyone who either can’t or won’t
> implement these measures is, as noted above, a bozo.” –
> Bray</A>, co-editor of the XML 1.0 specification</p></BLOCKQUOTE>
Note that reading BLOCKQUOTE in a different voice or announcing its
presence is part of the feature set of JAWS and Window-Eyes, for
example. Whether it's useful in practice is perhaps best judged by users
of such software. Lots of (older?) sites misusing it for indenting may
not in practice outweigh some other sites using it correctly. If
BLOCKQUOTE is so poisoned that's it's genuinely unusable for demarcating
quotations, maybe we need something else?
But if one were to adopt your suggestion, which quotation marks
precisely should user agents use to work out where quotations begin and
end? Given the trouble with specifying the generation of quotation marks
for Q, is this really something HTML5 wants to specifying?
Also, how do you distinguish a quotation with credit from a quotation
within a quotation? Or are you saying quotations inside BLOCKQUOTE
should _always_ have surrounding quotation marks, regardless of whether
there's a credit or not?
It seems to me dumping extraneous material inside Q and BLOCKQUOTE,
without a distinguishing element makes matters substantially harder. And
even if we had a CREDIT element as Simon suggests, I'm not sure how that
would allow authors to "quot[e] text that happens to have its attribution".
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