[whatwg] [WF2] <select required>

Andy Lyttle whatwg at phroggy.com
Fri Oct 24 09:57:50 PDT 2008

On Oct 24, 2008, at 8:23 AM, Tab Atkins Jr. wrote:

> So, pulling it all together, my proposal for a hinting ability on  
> <select> is thus:
> <select> can have a @hint attribute, which takes a text value.  If  
> there is no <option @selected>, then this hint is initially  
> displayed in the <select>'s collapsed state.  As soon as an option  
> is selected, though (or if an <option> had @selected initially),  
> the hint disappears and the selected <option>'s text is instead  
> displayed in the <select>'s collapsed state.  When @hint is  
> supplied, a conforming UA will not allow the form to be submitted  
> until an option is selected (again, an <option> with @selected  
> specified counts here), indicating in some way that a value in the  
> <select> must be chosen (the exact method UAs use to indicate this  
> to users is left undefined, but should be similar to how the UA  
> alerts a user that an <input> with @required is empty and must be  
> filled).
> For fallback, authors should provide an empty <option> (or one  
> containing only whitespace) with an appropriate default @value as  
> the <select>'s first child.  If <optgroup>s are used, this <option>  
> should come before them.  Conforming UAs will not display this  
> <option>.  In legacy UAs, this will cause the <select> to initially  
> display as blank in the collapsed state, and will submit the author- 
> supplied default value as the value of the control if the user does  
> not make a proper selection.
> This sound good?

Almost!  The only problem is, I might want the text of my "blank"  
option to be something other than whitespace, for example "(none)",  
"None of the above" (it could be the last option instead of the  
first), etc.  Remember that in a case where the initial state is some  
other <option> selected, we want the user to be able to choose the  
"blank" option, and "(none)" is much clearer in the expanded menu  
than whitespace, which may not be recognized as being a selectable  

Reserving value="" to indicate which option is the "blank" one would  
solve this problem (while presenting more). :-)

Andy Lyttle
whatwg at phroggy.com

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