[whatwg] framesets
Peter Brawley
pb at artfulsoftware.com
Fri Oct 9 10:47:50 PDT 2009
> > Oy, from the fact that users find web page links useful, it does not
> follow
> > that all identified content ought to be so linked.
>It suggests that not linking is a serious drawback.
It suggests no such thing. Your "suggestion", applied to surgery, would
be that /primum non nocere/ implies surgery should never remove hurt or
remove useful tissue. The inference is overinclusive, to put it mildly.
W3C's job is to enable, not function like a commissariat.
> > A design goal of this use case is to isolate individual framed items from
> > URL back/forward/history.external linking. Analagous to watching a
> picture
> > show where selecting N pictures does not commit you to hitting the Back
> > button N times to get back out.
>Why shouldn't it?
Because the use case demands otherwise.
> It's how all other links work. Behavior should be consistent.
/These are not external links./ You want these pages to make each item
externally linkable. /The client does not/. The client wins this debate
hands down.
> > More significantly, each item may have its own permission setting.
>Why are frames useful for that? You can just display a permissions
>error if the user is unauthorized.
The use case specifies otherwise.
> > This use case needs to isolate items within the page from
> > back/forward/history and external links.
>Why? That seems to detract from the utility here, not add to it.
Already explained. So that a user may enter and exit the frameset as one
page
PB
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Aryeh Gregor wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Peter Brawley <pb at artfulsoftware.com>
> wrote:
>> Oy, from the fact that users find web page links useful, it does not
>> follow
>> that all identified content ought to be so linked.
>
> It suggests that not linking is a serious drawback.
>
>> A design goal of this use case is to isolate individual framed items from
>> URL back/forward/history.external linking. Analagous to watching a
>> picture
>> show where selecting N pictures does not commit you to hitting the Back
>> button N times to get back out.
>
> Why shouldn't it? It's how all other links work. Behavior should be
> consistent.
>
>> More significantly, each item may have its
>> own permission setting.
>
> Why are frames useful for that? You can just display a permissions
> error if the user is unauthorized.
>
>> This use case needs to isolate items within the page from
>> back/forward/history and external links.
>
> Why? That seems to detract from the utility here, not add to it.
>
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