[whatwg] framesets
Peter Brawley
pb at artfulsoftware.com
Tue Oct 13 20:20:45 PDT 2009
Ian,
> Your requirements aren't met by framesets
Eh? Our solution meets the requirement and uses framesets.
> <iframe>s have been demonstrated to work as well as framesets
No-one's been able to point to a working non-frameset solution that
meets this requirement.
>, and, well, framesets suck.
Unargued, subjective.
>I agree that there's
>lots of legacy content using framesets; that's why HTML5 defines how they
>should work (in more detail than any previous spec!).
?! According to
http://www.html5code.com/index.php/html-5-tags/html-5-frameset-tag/,
"The frameset tag is not supported in HTML 5."
>The only thing that is easier with framesets than otherwise appears to be
>resizing, which I agree is not well-handled currently.
Unsubstantiated claim absent a working example of the spec implemented
without framesets.
>As noted before,
>though, that's an issue for more than just frames; we need a good
solution
>for this in general, whether we have framesets or not. Furthermore,
that's
>a styling issue, not an HTML issue.
For those who have to write or generate HTML, that's a distinction
without a difference.
PB
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Ian Hickson wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Oct 2009, Peter Brawley wrote:
>
>>> I don't know if there are pages that do this (and I sure hope none are
>>> using <table> for it!), but the lack of an existence proof is not
>>> proof of the lack of existence.
>>>
>> Of course. The point is if no-one can point to a working iframes
>> solution, ie, to an instance of them actually being preferred, the claim
>> that iframes provide a preferable alternative is simply not credible, to
>> put it mildly.
>>
>
> At this point I don't really understand what you want framesets for. Your
> requirements aren't met by framesets, <iframe>s have been demonstrated to
> work as well as framesets, and, well, framesets suck. I agree that there's
> lots of legacy content using framesets; that's why HTML5 defines how they
> should work (in more detail than any previous spec!). But that doesn't
> mean we should encourage them.
>
> The only thing that is easier with framesets than otherwise appears to be
> resizing, which I agree is not well-handled currently. As noted before,
> though, that's an issue for more than just frames; we need a good solution
> for this in general, whether we have framesets or not. Furthermore, that's
> a styling issue, not an HTML issue.
>
>
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