[whatwg] Headings and sections, role of H2-H6
ian at hixie.ch
Thu Jul 29 18:36:54 PDT 2010
On Wed, 28 Apr 2010, Jesse McCarthy wrote:
> I see why H2-H6 are retained for certain uses, but -- except in an HGROUP --
> there's no good reason to use H2-H6 when writing new code with explicitly
> marked-up sections, is there?
The only reason is backwards-compatibility with existing browsers.
> In that scenario isn't using just H1 throughout decidedly preferable to
> using H2-H6? And if so, then as long as authors are being strongly
> encouraged to mark up headings a certain way, wouldn't it be ideal to
> state a clear preference for using H1 throughout and include a third
> code example, indicated as the ideal:
> <p>Apples are fruit.</p>
> <p>They taste lovely.</p>
> <p>Red apples are sweeter than green ones.</p>
> <p>Apples come in various colors.</p>
On Thu, 29 Apr 2010, Steve Dennis wrote:
> The other thing to take into consideration is Content Management
> Systems. The <section> model, while technically a much better document
> model, will be much much harder for things such as rich text editors to
> implement I would imagine. Due to sections often being visually
> invisible, the nesting of invisible elements can get unmanageable and
> broken very easily if clients with little understanding of the document
> model (probably 99% of them) are editing their own content via WYSIWYG a
> lot. The non-nested system of the <h1> - <h6> is much easier due to
> being single tags with no nesting, and every element being visually
Indeed. The "old" mechanism is still a fully valid part of HTML, and how
it interacts with <section> is intentionally fully defined to allow both
systems to cooperate.
On Fri, 30 Apr 2010, Nikita Popov wrote:
> I personally prefer using <h1-6> and do not see, why always using <h1>
> may be better.
In editing the HTML spec itself, I often have to move sections around.
Each time I do that, if I move a group of sections "up" or "down" the
hierarchy, I have to go through each heading and make sure it's the right
level. With <section> and <h1>, I wouldn't have to do that.
> Beyond that, using <h> instead of <h1> would even be more backwards
> compatible to the HTML 4 use of headings.
Actually, it would be less compatible, since it wouldn't render like a
heading in older browsers.
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