ian at hixie.ch
Tue Nov 13 09:37:38 PST 2012
On Tue, 13 Nov 2012, Mark Nottingham wrote:
> I've maintained a little library for a while that does inclusion:
> It's used in a few different places, and is now part of Symfony
> <http://symfony.com>, apparently.
> Besides the obvious issue of "should HTML5 have an inclusion tag?",
> something else has come up.
(For what it's worth, inclusion in HTML is done using <iframe seamless>.)
> Right now, hinclude uses an XML namespace (hx:) to introduce a new tag.
In application/xhtml+xml (XML), this is and has always been non-conforming
HTML (in the same sense that any non-HTML vocabulary is not HTML), and
will continue to work exactly as it does today indefinitely.
In text/html, this is and has always been non-conforming (in the same
sense that any bogus syntax or tag name is non-conforming), and will
continue to work exactly as it does today indefinitely.
Note that in XML and HTML these conformance errors are treated very
differently (in particular, the element ends up in the HTML namespace in
text/html, and in its own namespace in XML).
> This was pretty widely tested to be interoperable way back, but AIUI
> that option is going away (whatever that means) in HTML5.
Nothing is changing in terms of how it is to be interpreted by browsers.
It's definitely not a recommended syntax, though, as it results in such
divergent DOMs depending on whether it's used in HTML or XML.
(Another dodgy part of this feature, from a conformance perspective, is
the include files themselves. They seem to be in a proprietary format
derived from HTML, not HTML, which has all kinds of implications on where
hinclude can be used and where it can't and what would happen with
handling any errors in the includes, and so forth. Also, the script
completely ignores the Content-Type of these files.)
> It's been suggested <https://github.com/mnot/hinclude/issues/13> that a
> data-* attribute on div could be used here, but reading the description
> there, I'm not so sure:
> "[T]hese attributes are intended for use by the site's own scripts, and
> are not a generic extension mechanism for publicly-usable metadata."
> hinclude is intended to be visible to software beyond the site's own
What else is it intended to be used by?
> So, what's the appropriate thing to do here? Keep on using hx:include
> (after all, it works)? use data-include or similar? Or?
Appropriate in what sense?
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