[whatwg] Proposal for a debugging information API

David Barrett-Kahn dbk at google.com
Fri Nov 16 15:26:02 PST 2012

Thanks Ian. So here's what confuses me, why is the bar so much higher for
traditional webapps than it is for browser extensions, chrome apps, native
apps, mobile apps or nearly anything else? Extensions, chrome apps, and
mobile apps have a consent experience, but it's hard to argue that users
are making an informed decision there and that the consent experience
really protects them. Native apps have no consent experience at all.

I guess I'm hoping you can point me to some guidelines you've developed or
which you agree with on where the limits of the web sandbox should be.  I'd
rather not force you to re-have a discussion I'm sure you've had far too
many times :-)



On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 10:06 AM, Ian Hickson <ian at hixie.ch> wrote:

> On Thu, 15 Nov 2012, David Barrett-Kahn wrote:
> >
> > Ian, I'd be interested in what you had in mind when you said 'a lot of
> > user opt-in'.
> I don't know, exactly. It has to be something where we're confident that
> the user understands that he is about to send sensitive information to a
> stranger.
> The concern isn't when this is used by a company like Apple or Facebook;
> the worst such companies are going to do with sensitive data is target ads
> better or make their products more streamlined. The concern is when some
> attacker wants to get information about your company's intranet's
> topology, or wants to know what potentially vulnerable plugins or
> extensions you have installed, or wants to know what software you are
> running, so that they can more precisely target you. Such an attacker can
> trivially provide you with a game to play, and then have the game crash,
> misleading you into thinking they're a perfectly honest game developer and
> causing you to eagerly send them all the sensitive information they want.
> These are not hypothetical concerns. Over the last few years, targetted
> attacks of this nature have become much more common and are a real threat.
> --
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