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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>In reply to Tab Atkins Jr. <A
href="http://lists.whatwg.org/pipermail/whatwg-whatwg.org/2008-March/014266.html">http://lists.whatwg.org/pipermail/whatwg-whatwg.org/2008-March/014266.html</A></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>"Yes, if you have any insight as to why it is
difficult, please share. As it<BR>is, browsers (specifically, FF2, IE7,
and Opera9) seem to handle it just<BR>fine.<BR><A
href="http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/?%3Ctitle%3EIns%2FDel%20within%20lists%3C%2Ftitle%3E%0D%0A%3C!--%0D%0A%3Cstyle%20type%3D%22text%2Fcss%22%3E%0D%0Adel%20%7B%0D%0Adisplay%3A%20none%3B%0D%0A%7D%0D%0A%0D%0Ains%20%7B%0D%0Atext-decoration%3A%20none%3B%0D%0A%7D%0D%0A%3C%2Fstyle%3E%0D%0A--%3E%0D%0A%3Col%3E%0D%0A%09%3Cli%3EOne%3C%2Fli%3E%0D%0A%09%3Cdel%3E%3Cli%3ETwo%3C%2Fli%3E%3C%2Fdel%3E%0D%0A%09%3Cli%3EThree%3C%2Fli%3E%0D%0A%09%3Cins%3E%3Cli%3EThree.5%3C%2Fli%3E%3C%2Fins%3E%0D%0A%09%3Cli%3EFour%3C%2Fli%3E%0D%0A%3C%2Fol%3E">http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/?%3Ctitle%3EIns%2FDel%20within%20lists%3C%2Ftitle%3E%0D%0A%3C!--%0D%0A%3Cstyle%20type%3D%22text%2Fcss%22%3E%0D%0Adel%20%7B%0D%0Adisplay%3A%20none%3B%0D%0A%7D%0D%0A%0D%0Ains%20%7B%0D%0Atext-decoration%3A%20none%3B%0D%0A%7D%0D%0A%3C%2Fstyle%3E%0D%0A--%3E%0D%0A%3Col%3E%0D%0A%09%3Cli%3EOne%3C%2Fli%3E%0D%0A%09%3Cdel%3E%3Cli%3ETwo%3C%2Fli%3E%3C%2Fdel%3E%0D%0A%09%3Cli%3EThree%3C%2Fli%3E%0D%0A%09%3Cins%3E%3Cli%3EThree.5%3C%2Fli%3E%3C%2Fins%3E%0D%0A%09%3Cli%3EFour%3C%2Fli%3E%0D%0A%3C%2Fol%3E</A><BR>Note
- this is obviously triggering quirks mode. FF2, in fact, refuses
to<BR>style the <ins> and <del> elements if you give the page a
proper DOCTYPE.<BR>The other two browsers seem to accept it just fine,
though."</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>When I was testing I was using a strict doctype and
primarily used Firefox2. Firefox would style the elements and
RightClick->View Page Info says it's in Standards compliance mode. I've never
seen invalid markup trigger quirks mode. I thought it was the DOCTYPE, or the
lack of it, that controlled that.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Reply to the thread in general:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>As I understand it, allowing <del> and
<ins> to wrap around list items and other items such as table rows adds
some more complexity to the implementators. But is it really so complex that
it's worth denying the semantic value of doing such markup?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>As for backwards compatibility, I see that wrapping
tablerows in <del> currently doesn't work well in browsers. Would that be
a show stopper to allow it in the specs? Would that prevent allowing scenarios
that *do* work, such as wrapping list items, from entering the specs as it would
be all or nothing?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>-Thom</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>