<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">I wrote:<br><div apple-content-edited="true"> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; "><br></div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">From my perspective, and for what it's worth, I doubt that<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">the ideals of the W3C as expressed in 3.12.7.1 <<a href="http://3.12.7.1/">http://3.12.7.1</a>> would<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">result in a situation that would be superior to simply letting the<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">international standards body for audio and video codecs deal with these<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">technological areas.<br></blockquote></blockquote><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; "><br></div>Gervase Markham wrote:</span></span></div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><br><blockquote type="cite">Your plan would, at least, prevent the "standard" codec being supported<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">on Free operating systems. Meeting 3.12.7.1 as it stands would not<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">prevent this. Therefore, it would be a superior situation.<br></blockquote><br>David Gerard wrote:</span></span></div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><br>The actual solution is a large amount of compelling content in Theora<br>or similar. Wikimedia is working on this, though we're presently<br>hampered by a severe lack of money for infrastructure and are unlikely<br>to have enough in time for FF3/Webkit/HTML5.<br><br><br>- d.<br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>It will be very, very difficult to develop critical mass for content encoded in Theora (or Dirac), much less ubiquity. I'm not saying there's no point in trying. I applaud the effort, though I have misgivings about the W3C setting itself up as a video/audio standards organization when we already have the Motion Picture Experts Group.</div><div><br></div><div>But ... why not recommend that web developers encode in MPEG-4 AVC <i>or</i> Theora? At least that would give some direction out of the current morass. ISO/IEC standards, like AVC/h.264, are vastly preferable to single-vendor (non)standards from Adobe, MS and Real. Why should the W3C choose not create a better situation than the current one (which is a mess for developers and a mess for users), while continuing to work on the ideal?</div><div><br></div><div>____</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Robert J Crisler</div><div><br></div></span></span></div></span></div></body></html>