[html5] Appropriate markup for index documents

[Cory Sand]

On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 5:02 PM, Not Telling <binderbound at hotmail.com>
wrote:

> HTML is becoming increasingly focused on structure [...] There are
> examples in HTML where content is described, such as Blockquote, but these
> are mostly left behind from HTML 4
> luke
>

Just curious, what is your basis for this conclusion?


>
> ------------------------------
> Subject: Re: [html5] Appropriate markup for index documents
> From: andrew.croce at gmail.com
> Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 12:07:48 -0500
> CC: help at whatwg.org
> To: binderbound at hotmail.com
>
> So what I was considering is something like a catalog…
>
> <index> <!— What element should this be? —>
> <header>
> <h1>Catalog of Items</h1>
> <p>A description of the catalog...</p>
> </header>
>
> <nav>{some filters, perhaps}</nav>
>  <ol>
> <li>Catalogued item #1</li>
> <li>Catalogued item #2</li>
> <li>Catalogued item #3</li>
> ...
> </ol>
>
> </index>
>
>
> I suppose you could possibly argue that a <dl> might satisfy the
> semantics, though it wouldn’t really be a definition LIST, just sort of a
> highly abstracted definition… a stretch, I think. Also, its not clear how
> sectioning algorithms would handle the scope of a headings, for instance,
> in the context of a <dl>.
>
> <dl>
> <dt>
> <header>
> <h1>Catalog of Items</h1>
> <p>A description of the catalog...</p>
> </header>
> <nav>{some filters, perhaps}</nav>
> </dt>
>
> <dd>
> <ol>
> <li>Catalogued item #1</li>
> <li>Catalogued item #2</li>
> <li>Catalogued item #3</li>
> ...
> </ol>
> </dd>
> </dl>
>
> Andrew
>
> On Dec 24, 2014, at 3:26 AM, Not Telling <binderbound at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Misspelt help
>
> ------------------------------
> From: binderbound at hotmail.com
> To: andrew.croce at gmail.com
> CC: hep at whatwg.org
> Subject: RE: [html5] Appropriate markup for index documents
> Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 19:23:42 +1100
>
> Hi Andrew
> I believe a description list <dl> (previously definition list) would be
> the closest fit to what you describe. It has two accepted child elements -
> definition term <dt> to declare the term being defined and definition
> description <dd> which describes the term it follows. The page you describe
> would be the <dt> and a description od the page, or another sub-index for
> that term would fit under <dd>. Nesting gives you some degree of
> "sectioning" but not exactly in the way you want, I expect. Could you give
> a specific example of the usage you are talking about? Use invented
> elements if you want - I'm just unsure exactly what you mean.
>
> Luke
>
> ------------------------------
> From: andrew.croce at gmail.com
> Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 11:14:37 -0500
> To: help at whatwg.org
> Subject: [html5] Appropriate markup for index documents
>
> I have been wondering about this for a while now, and I've finally gotten
> around to writing up the question:
>
> What is the appropriate semantic container element (if any) for an index
> document?
>
> It seems to me that there is a gap in the semantic options for marking up
> index, or list, pages. Now, to be clear I realize there are list elements,
> but these are strictly for marking up the specific set of listed items.
> However, a list may have a larger context, which I am calling an index.
>
> Like an article, an index might have a header and footer, and should
> probably contain a <ul> or <ol> where the items are listed. What comes to
> mind is something like a catalog, where the list itself has some meta
> information, and could itself contain sections or navigation. An <article>
> seems inappropriate since that should, I believe, be a single piece of
> content. A <section> also seems inappropriate in itself, unless its part of
> an even larger context. It could just be a <div>, or nothing at all, but I
> feel like there is some semantic value being missed.
>
> So then, why is there no <index> element? I would be super curious to hear
> everyone's thoughts on this.
>
> --
> Andrew Croce
> andrew.croce at gmail.com
> andrewcroce.com
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