[whatwg] [WA1] Markup for vCalendar and vCard
ian at hixie.ch
Thu Feb 24 04:51:58 PST 2005
Boy did this get out of hand.
Matthew. I encourage you to send your proposals to this mailing list. The
e-mail you sent with your proposal is still in my queue, along with all
the other WA1 and WF2 proposals that have been sent and have not yet
received technical replies. It will be given the same consideration as all
the other proposals, including Tantek's and anything else I (or whoever
the spec editor is at that time) come across.
There is no conspiracy here. Please relax. The only reason I suggested
contacting Tantek is because I know he's been working on this topic, that
he has some very good ideas, and that he is welcoming feedback. I would
have thought that working with him on a proposal would have been more
productive than working on independent proposals. However, that was merely
a suggestion and was not meant to imply that other proposals would be
ignored or given a different level of consideration.
In particular, please don't think that I will be swayed by flashy
graphics, fancy markup, diagrams, or wiki-based development. At the end of
the day I'm just looking at technical ideas on their technical merit,
regardless of who came up with them and how they were presented. Some of
the things in WF2 were originally just doodles people left on my
whiteboard, others were formal proposals that went through the W3C or IETF
Also, progress on WHATWG specs is going at its own rate, and is not
controlled by progress on external drafts or proposals.
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005, Matthew Raymond wrote:
> In fact, I've been asking for a WHATWG wiki for quite some time.
I don't have the resources to set that up, but if you want to set up a
wiki.whatwg.org site I could get you an account. However, I'm not really
sure what the point is. As far as I'm concerned this mailing list is the
most convenient way for me to handle input. I wouldn't monitor a wiki (or
probably even look at it) if one was created.
> Oh, one other thing. If you're going to like to a spec, the page should
> be static, not a wiki. Otherwise, you could inadvertently allow anyone
> and their mother to change part of a WHATWG spec at will.
I do not intend to normatively reference easily editable resources. The
links are currently purely informative to give people an idea of what was
being considered when that part of the spec was written.
> Actually, you gave a specific time you'd be working on it...
> "I'm not planning on touching the relevant sections of WA1 until
> Tantek's drafts are much more stable."
I spoke ambiguously, my apologies. What I meant was that by the time I
next touched those sections, I expected Tantek's drafts to be much more
stable. (In particular, I am currently prioritising folding HTML4, XHTML1,
and DOM2 HTML into WA1, adding the section on the Window interface, and
speccing the new interfaces for networking and messaging. There is a LOT
of work there.)
> > If your proposals are technically superior to other proposals, then,
> > once it comes to including a calendar mechanism in the WA1 spec, the
> > WHATWG members (probably represented by me) will use your proposals.
> When will that be? When you're ready, or when Tantek is? (No offense to
> Tantek. This is an argument of procedure rather than character.)
When I, or whoever is editing the spec, is ready.
> > > Might I also point out that the wikis you posted URLs to have NO
> > > COPYRIGHT NOTICES, NO OBVIOUS LINKS TO A COPYRIGHT POLICY and NO
> > > COPYRIGHT METADATA, and that the domain is that of THE COMPANY
> > > TECHNORATI. Who's to say his company won't just turn around and
> > > claim copyrights and patents to the whole mess?
> > All good points to raise with Tantek.
> Not if you're linking to them through the WA1 spec.
Whatever becomes the calendar/card section of WA1, I expect it to be
completely defined in the WA1 spec, not reference an external spec.
(Except if the definition is in terms of an external data model, such as
an alternate serialisation of vCard -- in that case, the serialisation and
interpretation would be in WA1, but the data model and semantics would be
in the external spec.)
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