[whatwg] [WA1] Markup for vCalendar and vCard
mattraymond at earthlink.net
Thu Feb 24 08:50:00 PST 2005
Ian Hickson wrote:
> Boy did this get out of hand.
> Matthew. I encourage you to send your proposals to this mailing list. The
> e-mail you sent with your proposal is still in my queue, along with all
> the other WA1 and WF2 proposals that have been sent and have not yet
> received technical replies. It will be given the same consideration as all
> the other proposals, including Tantek's and anything else I (or whoever
> the spec editor is at that time) come across.
> There is no conspiracy here.
Give it up! I know it was you and Tantek flying over my house in a
black helicopter last night trying to reprogram me with radio waves!
> Please relax.
I find it's usually unwise to say this to someone who is truly upset. ;)
> The only reason I suggested
> contacting Tantek is because I know he's been working on this topic, that
> he has some very good ideas, and that he is welcoming feedback. I would
> have thought that working with him on a proposal would have been more
> productive than working on independent proposals. However, that was merely
> a suggestion and was not meant to imply that other proposals would be
> ignored or given a different level of consideration.
Glad we cleared that up then.
> In particular, please don't think that I will be swayed by flashy
> graphics, fancy markup, diagrams, or wiki-based development.
I never meant to imply this. I was trying to avoid a situation where
a section of the spec was being developed outside of WHATWG in a way
that gave people unequal opportunity to express their views and opinions.
> Also, progress on WHATWG specs is going at its own rate, and is not
> controlled by progress on external drafts or proposals.
That's what I wanted to hear.
> On Wed, 23 Feb 2005, Matthew Raymond wrote:
>>In fact, I've been asking for a WHATWG wiki for quite some time.
> I don't have the resources to set that up, but if you want to set up a
> wiki.whatwg.org site I could get you an account. However, I'm not really
> sure what the point is. As far as I'm concerned this mailing list is the
> most convenient way for me to handle input. I wouldn't monitor a wiki (or
> probably even look at it) if one was created.
I've had several situations where people didn't understand the ideas
I was presenting because they were spread out over several emails.
Often, someone would confuse a concept I was advocating with an
older-but-similar concept I had abandoned. Take the following concepts,
* <date> (as an input control)
They're all closely related to each other. In fact, <dataentry> is
pretty much the same as <icomplex>. If there was a simple wiki I could
use to maintain my ideas about the general topic, I could simply post
the URL at the beginning of a message rather than having to hunt down
all my messages and giving a long explanation of what parts were relevant.
If I can find a way to set up a wiki for WHATWG, though, you'll be
the first to know.
>>Actually, you gave a specific time you'd be working on it...
>>"I'm not planning on touching the relevant sections of WA1 until
>>Tantek's drafts are much more stable."
> I spoke ambiguously, my apologies. What I meant was that by the time I
> next touched those sections, I expected Tantek's drafts to be much more
> stable. (In particular, I am currently prioritising folding HTML4, XHTML1,
> and DOM2 HTML into WA1, adding the section on the Window interface, and
> speccing the new interfaces for networking and messaging. There is a LOT
> of work there.)
Oh, I know you're busy, and that it often takes you a long time to
get to some portions of a spec. I objected to what I thought was you
saying you wouldn't even look at anything until Tantek's draft ready,
which appears to be a miscommunication at this point.
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