[whatwg] The truth about Nokias claims

cramhead cramhead at gmail.com
Wed Dec 12 14:15:23 PST 2007

They are acting with their shareholders in mind. They have everything to
gain and nothing to loose as they all have their platforms, i.e. Window, OS
X, Itunes, cellular handset, that they control/use their propiety formats.
It costs them to switch and they have the possibility of loosing their
current dominant position. It's not a good business decision for them to
endorse something they have less control over.


On Dec 11, 2007 5:15 PM, Manuel Amador (Rudd-O) <rudd-o at rudd-o.com> wrote:

> Thanks for your research, Shannon.  Quite enlightening.  Show of hands:
> who
> here believes that the anti-Ogg camp is acting selflessly, with no vested
> interests, and in the best interest of progress and other W3C values?
> El Mar 11 Dic 2007, Shannon escribió:
> > This is an except from an MPEG-LA press release:
> >
> > "Owners of patents or patent applications determined by MPEG LA's patent
> > experts to be essential to the H.264/AVC standard ("standard") include
> > Columbia University, Electronics and Telecommunications Research
> > Institute of Korea (ETRI), France Télécom, Fujitsu, IBM, Matsushita,
> > Mitsubishi, **Microsoft**, Motorola, **Nokia**, Philips, Polycom, Robert
> > Bosch GmbH, Samsung, Sharp, Sony, Thomson, Toshiba, and Victor Company
> > of Japan (JVC)."
> >
> > So lets review the three companies loudly objecting to OGG,
> > misrepresenting its status and continuing to fuel this debate:
> >
> > Apple: Has heavy investment in H.264, AAC and DRM via iTunes. Known for
> > proprietry hardware lock-in.
> > Microsoft: Heavy investment in WMV and DRM. 'Essential patent holder' in
> > H.264. Major shareholder in Apple. Known for proprietry browser and OS
> > lock-in and standards disruption.
> > Nokia: 'Essential patent holder' and heavy invester in H.264. Argued for
> > software patents in EU.
> >
> > Stop believing their lies! Don't you think it's weird that Nokia is
> > complaining about patents while simultaneous holding numerous video
> > related ones? OGG/Vorbis/Theora are open and as safe as codecs can get.
> > Its patent risks are practically non-existent. It has no licensing fees.
> > It is easy to implement across all major (and most minor) platforms. It
> > is the format of choice - unless you're Nokia, Apple or Microsoft.
> >
> > Finally, nobody has mentioned that the licensing terms on H.264/AVC
> > state that in about 8 years from now ALL internet H.264 content and
> > software becomes licensable. Sites will have to pay to use it. It is NOT
> > FREE, just 'on hold' until adoption becomes widespread and enforcement
> > more practical. When that happens guess who makes billions? Nokia and
> > Microsoft.
> >
> > These companies have no right to be distrupting this list and modifying
> > the standard to their whims. Their business interests are of no interest
> > here. This is a PUBLIC standard, not a proprietry one.
> >
> > Put the OGG reference back in the HTML5 draft, exactly as it was, as it
> > was originally agreed, as many have requested - AS IS APPROPRIATE!
> >
> > Shannon
> > shannon at arc.net.au
> --
>        Manuel Amador (Rudd-O) <rudd-o at rudd-o.com>
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