[whatwg] Prices on the Web
ian at hixie.ch
Tue May 6 18:10:05 PDT 2008
On Tue, 12 Dec 2006, Mike Schinkel wrote:
> > Yes, visible metadata is far more likely to be kept updated than
> > invisible metadata (a quick look at the Web is enough to demonstrate
> > that).
> You are making assumptions based on what has been and not what can be.
> If business processes require the data to be maintained in order to
> continue making money (i.e. there is a direct causal link), it will be.
> Earlier I gave you an example of such need for maintenace of data based
> on my previous reseller business. That was serious real world example,
> and I describe another spin on it below.
> > > 14 characters times every instance. There can be hundreds to
> > > thousands of instances on the page. It makes creating the markup
> > > correctly very difficult, and adds needlessly to page size (often
> > > exceeding Google recommendations for parsable documents.)
> > Could you show me an example of such a page?
> Certainly. The following is some of the research I did when discussing
> "currency" microformat on uf-discuss (I have more if you need it):
> The list is of very large price lists from the web. Some are in PDF
> and/or XLS formats, but I would argue one of the things Microformats
> will hopefully encourage would be the publishing of these more things in
> HTML so they could be processed by machines instead of XLS and PDF
> (except of course in the latter case where the content is best in PDF
> As I have mentioned before, I ran an catalog/internet retailer that sold
> software development tools to software developers for 12 years. One of
> the best things Microsoft could have done for us was to have published
> their product and price lists in a well known location with documented
> parsability. Sure we could find them in their ever changing locations
> and we could download the Excel files but we didn't have the skill to
> parse the info out reliability so we never did it. I can't tell you
> just how valuable it would have been for us if they had just published
> in an HTML format with something like Microformats. It would have saved
> us literally tens of thousands of dollars over the years.
> BTW, publishing it as lots of lists would have made it much harder for
> us to get to it. One file would have been best. And we'd have
> downloaded it nightly.
> > > > What's wrong with:
> > > > $54.97 (USD)
> > >
> > > Uh, no metadata?
> > What metadata is missing? The currency and amount are both present.
> > What more do you need?
> This was discussed ad-nauseum on uf-discuss. Ironically, I argued what
> you argued, but was overruled. Here's one place where some of the
> discussions where captured:
> If you need more, see: http://microformats.org/wiki/currency-examples
> and http://microformats.org/wiki/currency
> Also, look for "currency" on
I've looked at the above, but I really don't know what to do about it. I
don't think the Web needs a <price> element really, there just doesn't
seem to be a good use for it at the moment. I recommend we wait and see
what happens with the Currency Microformat.
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