[whatwg] "content" element, which we need in our documents

[Aurelio De Rosa]

I agree with Ian about the use of <article> and <section>, the
specifications are really clear on those elements. The are used to wrap an
entire entry, not the "content" (in the meaning Ian stated).

The read question for me is: What is the problem of having the content at
the same level of <header> and <footer> (for example inside an <article>)?

Can't we treat everything inside an article which is not in <header> or
<footer> is the real "content"?

Best regards

On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 3:20 PM, Ian Yang <ian.html at gmail.com> wrote:

> As described in whatwg specs, a <section>, in this context, is a thematic
> grouping of content, typically with a heading.
>
> As for a <article>, which usually contains its own <header> and <footer>,
> is used to form an independent content like blog entry, comment, or
> application.
>
> Both section and article elements are not the candidate for containing a
> website or a blog entry's main content. That obviously is the reason that
> the example of the nav in HTML5 spec doesn't use them.
>
> Regards,
> Ian Yang
>
> 2012/6/29 Cameron Jones <cmhjones at gmail.com>
>
> > If the content is a special section within the document you should use
> > the <section> element which has semantic meaning over <div>.
> > Alternatively you could use <article> if it's distinct and
> > self-contained. These two elements serve to disambiguate the abstract
> > idea of content into something with semantic meaning which can be
> > instrumented by document consumers.
> >
> > cam
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 12:24 PM, Ashley Sheridan
> > <ash at ashleysheridan.co.uk> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Ian Yang <ian.html at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >>Hi editors in chief and everyone else,
> > >>
> > >>How have you been recently?
> > >>
> > >>As many of you may have been aware that there is an important
> > >>sectioning
> > >>element we have been short of for a long time: the "content" element.
> > >>
> > >>Remember how we sectioned our documents in those old days? It's the
> > >>meaningless <div>s. We used them and added id="header", id="content",
> > >>id="sidebar", and id="footer" to them.
> > >>
> > >>After HTML5 came out, we started to have new and semantic elements like
> > >>"header", "aside", and "footer" to improve our documents.
> > >>
> > >>However, today, we are still using the meaningless <div> for our
> > >>content.
> > >>
> > >>The main content forms an important region. And we often wrap it with
> > >>an
> > >>element. By doing so, we distinguish the region from the header and the
> > >>footer, and also prevent all of its child elements (block level or
> > >>inline
> > >>level) being incorrectly at the same level as the header and the
> > >>footer.
> > >>
> > >>In the first example of the intro section of the nav element in HTML5
> > >>Spec
> > >>( http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/single-page.html#the-nav-element ) (the
> > >>page
> > >>takes a while to be fully loaded), the bottom note states: "Notice the
> > >>div
> > >>elements being used to wrap all the contents of the page other than the
> > >>header and footer, and all the contents of the blog entry other than
> > >>its
> > >>header and footer."
> > >>
> > >>This example mentioned above is a typical situation that we need an
> > >>element
> > >>for the main content. So instead of keep wrapping our contents with the
> > >>meaningless <div>, why not let the "content" element join HTML5?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>Sincerely,
> > >>Ian Yang
> > >>Meaningful and semantic HTML lover  |  Front-end developer
> > >
> > > I am pretty sure this was discussed a few months back and the answer
> was
> > that everything is content, so no need for a content element. The
> <header>
> > and <footer> just mark up areas of that content with special meaning, but
> > its still all the main content.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Ash
> > > http://ashleysheridan.co.uk
> >
>



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