[whatwg] Correcting some misconceptions about Responsive Images

Jonas Sicking jonas at sicking.cc
Wed May 16 22:39:50 PDT 2012

On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 6:35 PM, Maciej Stachowiak <mjs at apple.com> wrote:
> On May 16, 2012, at 4:53 PM, Jonas Sicking <jonas at sicking.cc> wrote:
>> On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Anne van Kesteren <annevk at annevk.nl> wrote:
>>> I just wanted to correct one small thing here.
>>> On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 10:51 PM, Jonas Sicking <jonas at sicking.cc> wrote:
>>>> (The difference that the w3c lists were private is not really a
>>>> meaningful difference if we're telling people to join CGs and do
>>>> development there).
>>> "We" have not done that, but unfortunately nobody called out the bad
>>> suggestion either :-(
>>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-whatwg-archive/2012Feb/0194.html
>> I'm not sure what you think it's a bad suggestion? I would say that
>> the CG was more successful in attracting author feedback than WhatWG
>> currently is.
> The downside of the CG as executed is that it was much less successful in attracting browser implementor feedback (in part because it was apparently not advertised in places frequented by browser standards people). So the implementor feedback only got applied later, and without full knowledge and understanding of the CGs efforts. It's not useful to have a standards process that doesn't include all the essential stakeholders.
> The most important point though is that no one from the WHATWG recommended creating a CG. Saying that the existence of the CG obligates people to respond there is not really scalable, the logical conclusion would be that HTML standards discussion has to be spread among all future newly created groups that try to do anything HTML-related, even ones not advertised in the existing places. I don't see how that is a reasonable policy. It would be like if I made my own mozilla-feature-planning list and then got mad at Mozilla folks for not replying there when making release plans.

I agree that there's no obligation. And I agree that if people here
didn't know about the existence of the CG then of course it's not
surprising that we didn't engage with the work that was happening

However I was under the impression that that wasn't the situation
here. So while I agree that there was no obligation, it also doesn't
seem surprising to me that the people in the CG were unhappy/upset
with the resulting outcome.

/ Jonas

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